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Oh Yea Muffs bet that was tthe most important part of the job when attending weddings the drinking , LOL Well they didnt have to worry about their outfits LOL WAVES TO CATHERINExx Lilxxx

Muffy, thanks I think that is the one, she came from abroad my relative said, so fits with what I read on the site. x

My lot are from Hackney!!!!

That is brill Muffy XXX

Hays my crew are from Kensington xx

I havent had any muffy, what date are you back too with GGG grandad? Caz xxx

I'm back to the late 1700s almost 1800s xx

I've got one too Muffy!!! xx

OMG bless their hearts !!! What a terrible life for them !!! They all seemed relatively long lived for their time though thank god but what a thankless task !!! I have renewed respect for my rellies they must have had an awful time of it xx

History Sweeping It was understood even in the Georgian period of our history that chimneys had to be brush cleaned. Way back to the 17th century the Master Sweep of the day would employ small boys to climb and scramble up chimneys. The task for these climbing boys was to brush clean the inside of the flue with small hand-held brushes. They also used metal scrapers to remove the harder tar deposits left by wood or log fire smoke. The boys were apprentices and were bound to the trade as young as seven years old. A Master was paid a fee to clothe, keep and teach the child his trade. Sweeps' Boys were usually parish children or orphans, though others were sold into the trade by their families. Some grew up to be Journeymen (assistants to the Master), the remainder were put out to various trades to try to learn a new occupation. In London, there was a London Society of Master Sweeps with its own set of rules, one of which included that boys were not required to work on Sundays but had to attend Sunday School to study, learn and read the Bible. However, conditions for the boys were harsh and often cruel. They slept in cellars on bags of soot and were seldom washed. Years of accumulated soot and grime often produced cancer of the testicles. It was a dangerous and filthy job for the boys to undertake, especially without the protection of safety clothing and respirators. Sadly there are recorded instances where these Climbing Boys choked and suffocated to death by dust inhalation whilst attempting to clean chimneys. Casualties were also frequent as boys became stuck in narrow flues or fell from climbing rotten chimney stacks. It took many years and campaigns before Acts of Parliament finally approved by the House of Lords outlawed the use of Climbing Boys. In 1864 Lord Shaftesbury brought in the 'Act for the Regulation of Chimney Sweepers' which established a penalty of £10.00 for offenders. In the early part of the 18th century various types of chimney cleaning methods were being developed. An engineer from Bristol, Mr. Joseph Glass, is widely recognized as the inventor of chimney cleaning equipment, which has become universal even to this day. This was the design and introduction of canes and brushes, which could be pushed and propelled up from the fireplace into the chimney above. Early canes were made of malacca and imported from the East Indies. Brushes were made of whale bones, no nylon or polypropylene. The other method of cleaning flues that was developed originally came from the Continent - Europe. This was the ball, brush and rope system which was lowered down from the top of the chimney. The weight of the lead or iron ball pulls the brush down, thus cleaning the chimney. This procedure is still used widely in Scotland even today. This is because of the historical contacts Scotland had with Europe. With the Industrial Revolution and ever greater demand for coal production, chimney sweeps grew in numbers. In Victorian London, there were over 1,000 chimney sweeps serving the area. The continued expansion of coal as the main fuel for domestic heating ensured that the sweeping trade flourished. This was right up to the early 1960s when gas began to be installed and replace coal as a source of domestic heating. The switch to gas continued in the seventies and many of the old established family sweeps retired or gave up the business. Until this period, sweeps had traditionally cleaned only coal, wood and oil chimneys. Public awareness of the need for clean, safe and clear chimneys was almost non-existent. Carbon monoxide poisonings from blocked chimneys began to be noticed. WAVES TO CATHERINExxxxx Lilxxx

Well Lil I hope they were given at least a drink for their time lol !! xx PP my history sucks!!! lol. It appears that Eugenie was the daughter of Princess Beatrice who was the daughter of Victoria so Eugenie was in actual fact Victorias GRANDDAUGHTER not daugher !!! I lost track the woman had LOADS of kids !!! lol. Will scout around a bit more and see what I can find out about her. This one was Victoria EUGENIE so it may not be the right one. I am on a mission now though lol xx

Hi Muffs thats brill, I'm sure they attended lots of wedding They said it was lucky to have a Chimney Sweep at your Wedding , My sister paid a fortune to have ome attend hers in the 70s difficult to find one in the 70s WAVES TO CATHERINE xxxxx Lilxx

We have quite a few.. mainly from Egham.... Pat

Muffy, don't know too much as only recently heard this info from an elderly relative I have not spoken to before a couple of months ago. I have just looked up some info and think it was somewhere built for the Empress Eugenie in Chislehurst, Kent, in the mid to late 1800's. Liz

pmsl its in the blood both my boys have it lol Sxx

Haven't found any of them yet Steve !!!! I have a suspicion that my late grandfather was one but I think he spent all his time gambling and playing cards and didn't bother to turn up for the exam !!! pmsl xx

Sorry Muffy I'm 10th gen Flirt pmsl Sxx

Chim chiminey Chim chiminey Chim chim cher-ee! A sweep is as lucky As lucky can be Chim chiminey Chim chiminey Chim chim cher-oo! Good luck will rub off when I shake 'ands with you Or blow me a kiss And that's lucky too Now as the ladder of life 'As been strung You may think a sweep's On the bottommost rung Though I spends me time In the ashes and soot In this 'ole wide world There's no 'appier bloke Up where the smoke is All billered and curled 'Tween pavement and stars Is the chimney sweep world When the's 'ardly no day Nor 'ardly no night There's things 'alf in shadow And 'alf way in light On the roof tops of London Coo, what a sight! I choose me bristles with pride Yes, I do A broom for the shaft And a broom for the flume Though I'm covered with soot From me 'ead to me toes A sweep knows 'e's welcome Wherever 'e goes Chim chiminey Chim chiminey Chim chim cher-ee! When you're with a sweep You're in glad company No where is there A more 'appier crew Than them wot sings 'Chim chim cher-ee Chim cher-oo!' On the chim chiminey Chim chim cher-ee Chim cher-oo!

Oooooh Clare they WERE London sweeps an' all !!! I hope they were that happy bless em xx

Just remembered him name---Dick Van Dyke,,,,,,,,,,,