General Chat

The Catholic church in Ireland was deservedly slated for keeping schtum about clerical abuses.

Now the people are being publicly rebuked for reporting those two blonde children's whereabouts to the authorities.

There's no pleasing some.

Well they have proved that 2 Irish children taken from Roma parents are actually their children. And it looks as if they have traced the Bulgarian woman with a lot of children and very poor who sold the little girl to the Roma family in Greece.

A local comedian sketch has indicated that 'cuckoldry' was responsible for these two sad incidents in Ireland.

So traumatic for these children and in the case above she has been proven to belong to her family. As others have said, a DNA test should be done as quickly as possible before the child is removed from the family. The harm done can take years to be worked through and can scar the child for life. It's so wrong.

Lizx

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24645947

DNA tests have proved that a seven-year-old girl taken from a Roma family in Dublin on Monday is their daughter.

The family said they were "delighted" that their daughter had come home.

They also said they would be taking legal advice, and that serious questions have arisen over the procedures used in the case.

The blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl had been removed by police from her Tallaght home and taken into temporary care.

The family have supported calls from human rights group Pavee Point for an independent inquiry into the investigation.

In a statement issued through their solicitor the family said: "Her removal has been a cause of huge upset to her parents, her brothers and sisters, and the young girl herself.

"They now intend to concentrate on looking after their family and, in particular, in trying to reassure their daughter that she will be left in their care.

Yes, very Del boy as you say! :-)

Gipsies only had horsedrawn caravans (Vardos) since around the mid 1800s. In the early censuses you often find them in tents!! They would travel by foot then pushing handcarts. Then built their tents on trailers drawn by horses. Organised gangs steal the handsome old Vardos these days.

No-one would disagree with you about the irresponsible travellers, whatever their origins, who leave disgusting mess behind.

Kushti.............
very Del boy!!

well, to me a Gypsy was a traveller in a horse drawn barrel shaped caravan
Tinkers were another variety,
then there are the fairground types,


but the irresponsible travellers that litter any bit of ground that they can force their way into..............well they are the dross in my opinion........

Bob

The term gipsy tends to be used for all kinds of travellers and tinkers including Irish travellers as well as Roma. The Roma are a distinct race with origins in northern India about 1000 years ago. I went to a talk given by a geneticist who told us that a DNA test could easily establish whether anyone had Roma ancestry through genes passed on through mothers. There are certain, very english sounding surnames that are known to be Romany in origin. I found a traveller a few generations back in my tree and then later discovered my maiden surname, the same as the traveller's was a Roma name. When people hear the word 'gipsy' they think of the worst kinds of travellers and tar them all with the same brush. Here's a Romany word for you Bob.......'Kushti'. lol. :-) ;-)

It's the taking the child away until the DNA proves that the child is theirs.

That makes them guilty until proved innocent.

If the blonde children share the DNA of their parents what is the problem?.

I am concerned that this "blonde child" scenario appears to be turning into a witch hunt and that the gypsy communities are now being singled out, before any child is removed from any family where the child's parentage gives cause for concern a simple DNA test should be carried out, taking children away from their family without just cause is wrong.

So now all GYpsies are unable to give birth to Blonde haired blue eyed children.

What tosh......

Until DNA proves otherwise, this is now starting to look like a witch hunt in the papers.

My dad was dark skinned with brown eyes (in fact someone once remarked he looked more Asian than European when a kid). Both his parents were fair skinned and neither had brown eyes. These type children were often called 'throw-backs'. Which indicates that at some time in earlier generations there was probably someone similar. Genetics throws up these anomalies on a regular basis.

But our gutter press is now going to state that all these blonde children could not possibly be of true gypsy blood.

Does this not stink of Hitler, eugenics and the Aryan race....... :-(

why is Gypsy a nonpreferred word?

has served for hundreds of years...........why the need for change?

I mean a jam butty by any other name is still a jam butty?

Bob

Yes it is. 'Roma' is a general (more polite) term for Gipsy.
....and there are many different tribes....
My lot were Burts, his were Haines. Lots of Burts still in Hampshire/New Forest (not that I know any - but my friend with the Czech Roma gran - strangely brought up in the New Forest - does) Not so many Haines in the Forest now :-D

Obviously some are hardier than others :-D

Sorry if I am ill informed,

my impression was that they keep themselves to themselves

will have to read up about "Roma"

is it similar to Romany?
Bob

Gosh, Bob, that's a bit of a sweeping statement!

I don't think Roma 'interbreed' to the extent that they have to marry cousins. There are 'Roma' all over the world.
My friends grandmother was a Czech Roma. The Roma of the world may have originally come from one tribe - but didn't we all!!!!

I can trace one side of my family back to 1630 in the same Suffolk village - does that necessarily mean they interbred?

I've found out in the past 5 years that both me and my ex came from New Forest 'stock' - both our great grandmothers came from Forest Gipsy families, (different surnames) but I would hardly call that 'interbreeding'!.

Yes, the poor girl must feel she's been 'stolen' from her 'parents' and all her friends.

Many years ago it was gipsy children that used to be stolen by families who couldn't have children of their own. I was told that that was why they would have their children baptised so that they had some proof that they were their own children.

Bob, you don't read of the genetic illness in their families that you do about some other cultures where close relatives marry.

There are 2 sides to every story. There's a lot we don't know about Greece:

http://www.2ndcouncilhouse.co.uk/blog/2013/10/19/children-racism-and-the-greek-state/

It may take a while to load.

i feel for the child
thats te only family she has known
her heart must be broken and her mind confused :-( :-(

It must be heartbreaking the poor little children are like pawns in the game.

Maria will be missing the only parents she can remember. <3