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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160054/MMR-A-mothers-victory-The-vast-majority-doctors-say-link-triple-jab-autism-Italian-court-case-reignite-controversial-debate.html

Would you/did you trust in the government or did you decide to kick against *experts* opinion.?

I refused the triple jab for both of mine and paid to have their jabs done separately..........I wouldn't give my dogs that level of vaccination in one dose but that's just me.

I'm the only one of all my friends that went that route though.........and was and probably is considered to be a bit *odd* for doing so.

Each to their own I say.

Son had mumps before he was due the jab. He's not likely to ever get pregnant so I saw no reason for him to have the rubella jab.

The GP said there was no way he could have a separate measles jab so, like you, we paid to have them done at a private clinic.

Gwynne

My 15 year old only had the booster when she was 4....I refused the first one when all this autism business came about...my ex's partners son who is the same age had it and he is autistic!!!

BUT



there is now EXCELLENT scientific evidence that MMR has absolutely NOTHING to do with autism!


On the contrary .............. there is EXCELLENT evidence for scientific misconduct in the investigations that allegedly proved the connection.


A paper published in 1998 in the medical journal The Lancet presented apparent evidence that autism spectrum disorders could be caused by the MMR vaccine.

No other scientist anywhere in the world managed to get the same results as shown in this paper .... and that alone raised doubts.

Investigations by Sunday Times journalist Brian Deer showed definitively that the lead author of the article, Andrew Wakefield, had multiple undeclared conflicts of interest, had manipulated evidence, and had broken other ethical codes.

These conflicts included Wakefield having received over £450,000 funding from Legal Aid Board solicitors seeking evidence to use against vaccine manufacturers, that Wakefield had applied for patents on a vaccine that was a rival of the MMR vaccine, and that he knew test results from his own laboratory at the Royal Free Hospital contradicted his claims.

Plus several of the parents quoted in the paper as saying that MMR had damaged their children were also sueing the manufacturers.


The Lancet paper was partially retracted in 2004 and fully retracted in 2010, and Wakefield was found guilty by the General Medical Council of serious professional misconduct in May 2010 and was struck off the Medical Register, meaning he could no longer practice as a doctor.

The research was declared fraudulent in 2011 by the British Medical Journal. T

he scientific consensus is that no evidence links the vaccine to the development of autism, and that the vaccine's benefits greatly outweigh its risks.

This is the REALLY scary part ........................

The claims in Wakefield's 1998 The Lancet article were widely reported; vaccination rates in the UK and Ireland dropped sharply, which in turn led to greatly increased incidence of measles and mumps, resulting in deaths and severe and permanent injuries. Measles is now considered endemic in the UK.


Physicians, medical journals, and editors have made statements tying Wakefield's fraudulent actions to various epidemics and deaths, and a 2011 journal article described the vaccine-autism connection as "the most damaging medical hoax of the last 100 years".




There is NO good reason not to have the vaccinations.




sylvia

My objection was to having 3 injections at once, two of which were totally unnecessary. I wasn't worried about the possibility of autism I just object to unnecessary medical procedures.

We have a history of many allergies and chronic asthma in our family and bad reactions to immunisations that was why I refused to let him have 3 lots of immunisation at once..

Had my son not had mumps already he would have had that jab but also separately. He doesn't need the rubella one, as previously stated.

Gwynne

I live in an area where we quite frequently (every 3 or 4 years on average) have very serious outbreaks of various "childhood diseases".


About 75 miles away (which is close over here :-D ), there is a large community of people who emigrated from Holland at various times over the last 50-100 years. They mainly belong to the Dutch Reformed Church, one sect of which has traditionally refused to allow their children to be vaccinated.

The same applies in Holland.

There are still strong connections with their relations "back home" ............. and every epidemic has been started by a child visiting from Holland who has the measles, mumps or whatever.


It spreads "like wildfire" through their communities here, then gets into the school system, spreads from one school to another, etc etc.


We are currently in the middle of an epidemic which began last year, and has now affected every community between there and here on the coast. The two Public Health Authorities responsible for the whole area have brought in stocks of vaccine in order to try to stop the epidemic.


At the same time, there is another epidemic raging through Washington State, just below the border from us ................ and the Canadian government has issued warnings for Canadians wishing to go south.


Having been a child in the era before vaccination was available, I have seen the results of "childhood illnesses", and suffered through most of them!

The polio vaccine was the first vaccine that I had .................. I was just under the cut-off age for receiving it when it was first introduced around 1958 or so.


I would never want to see another child subject to the worst effects of measles, or mumps or chicken pox, rare though those effects might be.



sylvia

I'm happy to concede that the MMR does not cause autism - when this was first suggested, the children who were diagnosed with ASD were the first age group to have received the vacine, which co-incided with the chronoligical age when it is possible to diagnose ASD in a developing child.

What I am against, is bombarding an immature immune system with 3 viruses at once. The option for the protection to be given seperately on the NHS should be re-introduced.

Agree Sylvia, when my children were due to have their whooping cough injections all the controversy was going around as to the dangers, one day I decided I would have it, next day would read an article and would decide against. I asked doctor and he would not commit one way or other, just saying it was my choice.

In the end I decided against it, and yes you guessed they caught whooping cough. Eldest could cope but middle daughter who was only 3 nearly died. Doctor said well I had my son vaccinated, wish he had said before.

When youngest daughter was about 1 a health care nurse said have her vaccinated, by then they realized so many were not having the jab so I went with the flow, was I pleased, she never caught it.

Carol

My eldest fitted after her first Whooping cough injection, and consequently didn't have the full course. We never took up the school injections for her, with the exception of TB, prefering to go to the GP to discuss the risks with him.

She was at Secondary school when the MMR was introduced, by which time she had survived Mumps and Measles and consequently was opted out. Can't remember what happened about the Rubella!

As she would be the one to introduce the diseases into the household, I lived in dread that either she would contract whooping cough as a young child, or affect her younger siblings before they could be 'protected'. As it happens, they received the MMR at school at a much older age, when their bodies were strong enough to cope. By this time, one of them had caught and recovered from Mumps which she had first. We did teach them to 'share' :-D

will look at this site muffy,as im due to have the MMR nextwk :-D

The most worrying thing about these scares is that some parents are refusing to have their children immunised at all.

The loss of a child is one of the worst things you can imagine, when it is because of a preventable illness like measles it is unforgivable.

The Autistic Spectrum is large with many variants, many symptoms not becoming apparent till the child is older.

The question is:

Was the child Autistic before being given the MMR vaccine?

Both boys had MMR jabs in the 1990's , no side effects
They ran out of TB jabs so eldest didn.t get his... youngest did
Looking at the consequences, if these innoculations were not made , I am all for them

I don't want to get in on this debate ! but can I just mention egg allergy?

"Egg allergy and the MMR vaccine
The MMR vaccine is made using a protein related to egg. However, evidence shows that it’s safe to give the vaccine to nearly all children, even those who have a very severe reaction to eggs.

If your child has a severe egg allergy, let your GP or nurse know. He or she can make special arrangements to give your child the MMR vaccine safely, in hospital if necessary."

starting to have second thoughts :-D

Heres one ladies .......I,m really shocked

My son works in a dangerouse job and has to have all jabs up to date ...then they check with a bloody test and ...................no measles ????????

What the hell????

he had all his jabs in child hood not always at the time stated by the goverment but he had them and a red book to show he did

So wheres it gone??????

I'm pro vaccination.

My daughter had autism way before the MMR came out. Her autism appears to be paternally genetic.

Quite often, the first signs of autism begin to show at the 18 month - 2 year stage.......just when the MMR is given.


Like others, I really don't want to see an epidemic of measles etc.

Cx.

Suzanne this site might help :-)


http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/MMR/Pages/FAQs.aspx

When my children were young, there was no MMR, just a single vaccine for measles at 1 year, which both of mine had. They both contractes mumps and rubella before the age of 6. After MMR vaccine appeared in the mid 1980's, I was asked for my daughter to have it, but I refused on the grounds that she had either had the vaccine or the diseases. However I would have consented if it had been otherwise.

thats what i cant under,stand,ive had measels and mumps
why do i need the MMR at my age?

There might be an age related lessening of your aquired immunity?? Mum, admittedly in her late 60's/early 70's, caught Mumps for the 2nd time in her life, from one of ours. Could you ask for a blood test to check yours?

Presumably its a new 'thing' to ensure that people working with children in certain settings , need to make sure they don't infect them with diseases brought in from out side.