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Mary Jane Wilson married Desmond Aikin in August 1931 in Wigton Cumberland. She was 17 at the time and her father was Charles Edward Wilson,
In 1931 he was a labourer. (I have the marriage cert)

There are 2 Mary J Wilsons born in 1914 in Cumberland ( I am presuming that is where she came from ! )
1 in Wigton mothers name Taylor
1 in Cockermouth mothers name Hannah.

Charles Edward Wilson I have found only 1 of the right age group and he was born in 1894 Wigton. was living in Allhallows in 1901

so far so good.

I can't find a marriage which would match up. he was known a Charley in 1911 (quick preview there).
What am I missing ??

1..The mother may have been married before and wed in married name?
2.Charles may not have married where Mary was born?
3,Parents may have married after Mary born?

"1..The mother may have been married before and wed in married name?
2.Charles may not have married where Mary was born?
3,Parents may have married after Mary born?

Kay I think I have covered number 3 still can't find a marriage
have checked no. 2 and looked for all marriages in all counties. working on Charles being born in 1894 there are not that many possibilties.
Infact there are 3 1913 a Charles m Mary A Taylor in Glossop derby, or a Dora A Taylor in Nottingham
1914 after Mary was born there was a marriage to a Charles in gateshead in 1914

No. 1 is interesting as Charles, if I have the right one was only 20 on the birth of his daughter (possibly 1st child) now if they registered the child in his name (which they did) the marriage would be in Hannah or taylor being a previous marriage regardless. As the Mum would have had to go by her name.

I was ofcourse hoping to be told it's the Taylor one you want ,,and would have sent for the cert.

UZZIE
I FOUND THE SAME
THE MARY ONE SEEMS POSSIBLE ONE
BUT !!!!!!
DONT FORGET 1914
IN
WW1 RECORDS MAY BE HARD

DID MARY JANE HAVE SIBLINGS

Dizzie I don't know about siblings.

Mary J may not have been the first child and Charles could have married at least 10 years earlier.....did May J have siblings??

THIS BAPTISUM HAS FATHER LABOURER
BUT ANN NOT JANE

Name: Mary Ann Wilson
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 6 Jun 1813
Father's Name: Charles Wilson
Mother's Name: Ann Wilson
Parish: St James, Paddington
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex

Uzzi, just cheked for births of Wilson + Taylor children in 10b Found some in Wigton (plus some in Whitehaven).

One of the births in Wigton is Elsie born 1916.

It looks as if someone else on genes has Elsie on her tree. (born Cumberland in 1916)

Perhaps worth contacting her to see if it is the same family.

Good Luck,
Tess

Who were the witnesses at the 1931 marriage, Uzzi?

Even if the names sound unrelated, there could have been a married sister or some such, and we could hunt around for a connection.


Name: Mary J Aikin
Death Registration Month/Year: 1947
Age at death (estimated): 33 -- matches age on marriage certificate
Registration district: Wigton
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 1a
Page: 182

If she was 17 in August 1931, don't forget that she could have been born as early as August 1913 (almost 18 at marriage), up to August 1914 (just turned 17 at marriage).

The death was registered in Q2 1947, so if she was 33 already, she was born between August 1913 and June 1914 (or as early as March, depending on the actual date of death).

Desmond Aikin born c1909 died 1986 Carlisle.

I can't find a Charles E/Edward Wilson death in Cumberland from 1913 up to 2005, for info.

Thankyou all who have looked

Janey the witnesses were John James King and george Albert Forsythe ..no help there
her marriage date was 22nd Aug 1931
like you I have Desmonds and Mary's death dates but can't find a Charles Edward

TheresaAkaBridgetTheFidget

yes there are several Wilson/ taylor births after mary Jane which would make her the eldest and rightly so as Charles would have only been 20 at her birth, but I can't find a marriage or as Janey has discovered a death for him. (that's Charles edward bloody Wilson )

I don't suppose you have MJW's death cert -- the date of death would be one teensy bit of info to narrow down her date of birth.

Do we assume it's Desmond you're related to? So you know of any children of him and MJW, etc.


Births Sep 1906
Forsythe George Albert Haltwhistle 10b 425
Marriages Dec 1930
Forsythe George A (Annie Harding) Haltwhistle 10b 671

So not a brother-in-law ...

Births Dec 1882
KING John James Wigton 10b 502
Births Dec 1895
King John James Cockermouth 10b 567

One married Costigan 1919 Cockermouth, so no help there either.

The older one died 1958 Wigton, aged 75 - don't see a death for the other. He could be the J J King died 1918 in WWI, Durham Light Infantry.


Oh, I looked at CWGC for CEW dying in WWI, but there didn't seem to be an obvious match. (No parents in Cumberland, e.g.) And Mary Jane would have been conceived before WWI started, so a visiting soldier isn't as likely.

I'm editing as I go along to keep it all together ...

Considered reverse-order names -- only one in Cumberland and he's accounted for:

Births Jun 1885
Wilson Edward Charles Carlisle 10b 505
Deaths Jun 1910 )
Wilson Edward Charles age25 Whitehaven 10b 388


Made-up daddy, anyone? ;) -- but no Mary J born to an unmarried mother 1913-1914 Wigton.

No I don't have MJW's death cert
Children to Des and mary are Kathlene, patricia and Shelia.

Desmond by the way was born in Ireland, Donagadee

Wuzzie....

1911.

Cumberland-----Wigton

Charley Edward Wilson.....age 16...
you need details........

there is a birth 1913 of MJWilson and mother Nicholson,

1913 Charles Wilson married Nicholson in Carisle,

There are a few Charles Wilson to Taylor marriages, outside Cumberland. Perhaps Ms Wilson came from another area and they married in her Parish.

The person that has Elsie Wilson on her tree might be able to tell you if Elsie's Dad is Charles Edward Wilson. She may even have the marriage of Elsie's parents. Which after all is one of the things you are looking for.

Who were the witnesses to the marriage of MaryJane and Desmond/ Any clues there?

P.S. Sorry, just seen that you have already given the names of the witness's.
Hope I don't sound rude, I don't mean to be.

Have Googled Wilson Wigton found that there seem to have been Wilson families in Wigton for a long time. Also a recent wedding (lovely photo).
Beware though, there is also a Wigton in Scotland, where a Margaret Wilson was martyred in the Civil War!

Bum my net went down again,

I had thanked you all for looking, Kay I like the Nicholson one I had missed that totally, so will be checking that out.
Janey Thankyou for your help also. To all of you thanks.

Uzzi

Forsythe and Nicholsons were related by marriage,,,,:}}}}}

The only problem with Wilson-Nicholson was that she would have been 18 in August 1931:

Births Jun 1913
Wilson Mary J D Nicholson Kendal 10b 1518

(and she had an extra initial). But stranger mistakes have certainly been made. ;)

Sorry I abandoned this only my net went caput.

Kay cheers for that but like Janey I didn't like that one as she had the extra initial which is why I didn't pick it up the 1st time and it would have made her 18 at marriage.

I favour the birth as being MJW born Wigton of Taylor mother so I may have to send off for that birth and find out who the mother was ..that would have made MJ the eldest and several other to follow all at Wigton. It's tempting to think that it might be Mary A .....but will have to check.

I hope that you don't have tp wait long for the cert. if/when you send for it.
At least you will then know if you are on the right track.

Let us know what you find out., PLEASE.