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There is no confidentially rules broken as the receptionist gives out results as it is at most surgerys if its done by phone,,,,,,it only breaks confidentially its its repeated outside to 3rd parites,,,,

Having thought some more about it...

This campaign may help women to find the services sooner rather than later...surely it's better for them to act within the first 12 weeks than let it go on longer?

I still can't get away from feeling that this is a positive thing x

I agree that abortion in some situations is a good thing but I think the number of weeks in which an abortion can be performed should be reduced from 24 weeks to 20 weeks as a baby can be born at 24 weeks and survive.

An arguement could be made that confidentiality rules can be broken when giving results out over the phone. For example,

I could be posing as someone else.

Also if the receptionist says my name infront of another person whilst on the phone inside the surgery that is a breach of confidentiality.

Muffy sorry I missed this
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Putting myself in that position...

It's awful for people that can't have children when they desperately want them (speaking as someone who had to fight tooth and nail and lost numberous much wanted babies and didn't think it would ever happen for me I KNOW that)....BUT the nurse in your example has the right to make her own decisions...based on her needs and her wishes...I'd say she was very careless but better that than unwanted children with a parent/s who ultimately don't care x

I think you may have been talking about me. Now I feel sorry for that nurse, then I hated her I also felt sorry for her.
It's a hard life being infertile, because people can't understand when you say good on them (choice of no kids) or she shouldn't be allowed etc.
Most people think you are reacring because you don't have children.

Sorry I am sad about it but I still say abortion isn't a way of birth control.
Yes it's legal and it should be but it should be watched on

Rach I was a virgin until I married. and amongst my peers unusual but proud about the fact,

shame I got married so young !

I was born in the mid 80s and contraception was something we talked about. Despite this two of my friends ended up pregnant one at 19 and one at 26 so they were not children. The one who fell pregnant at 19 admits that although her child means the world to her she wishes she had waited till she was a little older and in a stable relationship. She has not ruled out another child in future but is determined to wait until she feel happy in a long term relationship.

Uzzi I wsn't suggesting that those that can't have children would've had children they didn't want...I was using your analogy of the nurse who had had 3 abortions and feel it's better for her to have done that than to have children that could potentially end up like poor Baby Peter (not to say they would...but there's too many uncared for and neglected children in the world..and yes in an ideal world they'd be picked up on and sent to more suitable homes...but this isn't an ideal world)

I'm staunchly pro choice..and make no bones about it.

I'm also deeply sympathetic to those who (often unfairly it seems) are sold short in their efforts to have children..and my heart aches for them.

But to my mind one doesn't over rule the other..xx

I haven't see the ad so cannot really comment on it's content. What I do feel tough is that abortion should not be advertised like this. My daughter is 12 years old and gets taught about this in school, They go through all the contraception issues. I have also (but I know some parents don't) spoken to my daughter about this. Teenagers/adults know that abortion is an option - It's not a new thing. I doubt that you could walk ito a secondary school and the cildren don't know about it.
Whilst I do think it's everyone's right to have an abortion if they wish - I think we could be heading down a slippry slope where it becomes 'the norm'.

Pat

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2985074/Abortion-ad-screens-tonight.html

Sorry about it being the Sun but that's the only link I could find.

Having watched it..

I'm totally cool with it.

Not graphic...not *touting* for business...

I'm now even more convinced there are more positives to it than negatives x

I have a 27 year old friend in a stable relatioship with 2 beautiful children. She has begged to be sterilized but has been told she is to young. She knows she could not cope with another pregnancy. She never carried her children to term and was hospitalized at 26 and 29 weeks as she went into labour. Once whilst at work doing light duties( sitting at desk answering phone). Both labours were stopped but children born prematurely. She was incredibly ill with
both pregnancies which went far beyond morning sickness. She has a permanent period which varies from very heavy to not so heavy.

She was told after having the first child that she could not have any more children but along came no 2. She additional contraception even though she has had a coil fitted as she did become pregnant a third time but this was ectopic and naturally aborted.

There are many reasons that this very difficult decision of abortion are made. Giving woman the choices available without them being made to feel worse than they already do can only be a positive. It is up to the individual whether to go ahead and religion should not come into it. It should be about the health of the woman, physically, mentally and emotionally

so yes these adverts are good

What about the little girl abroad I think she was ten or eleven who is having her stepfathers baby. As the mother was so against abortion the child is being made to carry the baby to term. What kind of life will either of those children have?

I'd like to thank Muffy for the thread and your truly admirable further contributions to it.

I'd also like to give my own private honourable mentions to ~Lynda~ and Rita for your contributions.

There are probably others I should say the same to but those are the ones who impressed me on a quick read. Perhaps for the obvious reasons. ;)

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Janey? Why the Oscar acceptance speech? lol.

*wonders what she's missed whilst spending the day cleaning windows*

Tootyfruity..I think under the circumstances it's appalling that they won't allow your friend to be sterilised !!!! Is there no way she can push the issue further elsewhere?...seems to be a very high handed attitude considering the problems she had before !

Hi Rita...totally agree with you...I certainly wouldn't like to go back to the days when back street abortions were the only way to go..even if it was before my time.. I know that an ancestor of mine nearly died through one xx

Oscar *presentation* speech, Muffy. ;)

You, ~Lynda~, Rita and others have spoken wisely and well.

(And no, "you all" didn't intimate me with your well-spoken wise words -- see Rose's thread ;) -- I just thought I'd say "ditto" since you all had said it all!)

Oh right ok...fair do's

(and I never thought for a sec you were intimidated either lol)xx

*goes to look at Rose's thread for a catch up * xx

Hi Muffy

I asked one of my friends who is a gynaecologist whether or not something could be done. Unethical may be but my friend had given me her permission. My friend was with a different consultant. I introduced them and my Dr friend told her to give her secretary a ring and to get GP to send her a referral. My friend has done both and has been given an appointment for August. It's a little way off but as she has already spoken to Dr she is hopeful of getting her sterilization. Also this as been going on for 7 years now so a few more months won't make much difference

Aww that's great news. I really hope it gets sorted for her. xx