General Chat

- Discuss this proposition

- Behave yourselves.

xxxx mick

I stood for parliament on a couple of occasions. Maybe that is why I didnt get in, not a liar or thief.

I think a lot of them are just deluded people who believe what they are told to believe without thinking for themselves.

I have to say I have never trusted a certain MP who is currently in strife here in NZ.

Huia.

Sorry but politics is the last thing I would want to discuss at the moment, we are in the lead up to a general election in November and all media is centered on politics.

I agree with you Huia about that MP (really I'm not following you around)

And why in earth do we have to have so much coverage of the American Presidential Race/Election in our news here in NZ.

Michelle

Michelle its the same in the UK. Our media cover the US elections as though they were our own. And they go on for so long by the time the actual election arrives, we're so sick of it we couldn't care less who gets elected as long as its over and we can spend time reporting stuff going on in our own country.

As for Mick's question.....errr......well there's nothing to debate really....they are all liars and thieves!

yes BR you are so right ...............

Not really a lot to be said for this goverment ......Far wores than any I,ve seen ........Dont really know what they are standing for !!??

At least with some leaders we knew it was going to be bad !!!!

Politicians are 75% in it for what they can get out of it - no different from the vast majority of people.
Bending rules to suit our condition is in no way confined to MPs. My good lady tells me that the helpers at jumble sales often take advantage of their first look at objects for sale.
It was rife in my first office job; then in the army; and then 30 years in the police - taking advantage without actually doing anything illegal.
Afraid it's actually called "human nature". , My apologies if that is too cynical for some, but it all stems from being brought up in the days of the black market.

Happy days

In NZ at the moment there is one MP causing a lot of media coverage of him and what he/and his party may have done in the past with party donations etc. What I want to know is what are they (the government) diverting our attention away from with all this childish behavour. :-)

Michelle

I like to think that all politicians start out with genuine aims and hopes and dreams and go into it thinking they can change things, but I suspect that as they get more powerful they become more interested in personal success and power and that's where the corruption starts.

Often, if I watch the Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition debating on TV, I don't feel like I'm watching two people with aspirations to run the country. It sometimes seems like they're two little kids in the school playground having a "My dad's got a bigger car than yours" argument.

Answer = Yes

ALL are after what they can get out of it, while they are in power.
As most do not stay in power long...they get greedy.
Hence we sometimes see this on the news, where they don't cover it up well enough.

To be a politician.....is to be able to lie...and make people believe what you say.

When we vote for the person of our choice, most of us, take little active interest in the government of the day. It is only when they are caught with feathering their own nests or caught out in a blantant Lie to cover a wrongdoing, that we take note.
If we all became active members of the parties of our choice and attended meetings to give our voice on policies, our fragile democracies, would I think be a little stronger.
I agree with Harry - Human Nature when not out in the open can go awry at times.

Ye gads Mick, as if you or me have a say..The money balance in is the hands of our oil bearers and the chinese, lol democracy, what a joke, we out sourced lollol is any body in control, check your stock market reports...And we should all be concerned...Keep eatin them wallaby's..

How many politicians do we really know by name? I wonder how many are quietly getting on with the job in hand but never make the news.

It seems that power can and does corrupt and that the more forceful individuals are the ones who tend to rise to the top but politics goes on at all levels of society not just governmental.

Having served on a few committees I've seen how difficult it can be to get any decisions made. Quite often the same people turn up to do all the work and others are quite happy for them to get on and do it yet they are often the first to complain if things aren't done the way they like.

I wonder sometimes what sort of person starts being a politician then I remember I do actually know a bit about a couple. Michael Foot is a distant cousin of my late mother-in-law and she knew him and respected him when he was young. I went to school with the present MP John Denham and remember him in the 6th Form at the same time as me. He seemed a nice and decent bloke then.

Sweeping statements about a whole section of society are risky really. Are we going to assume that all the MPs, all County Counsellors, District and Parish Counsellors etc are automatically bad? If so that gives us no-one to vote for.

So if you don't like what is going on in your area perhaps you should get involved yourself.

Sue

Not sure that they are all thieves but I'd agree that they are, more often than not, extremely economical with the truth xx

They are the champions of ---------


-**-Goal Post moving, as and when it suits their own means and ends,......

Our present PM in UK didnt get voted in !!!,he accepted after the other last lost cause put him forward,,
But 18years under an Iron lady did so much damage to this country that its never going to recover,,,,,,,,,plus if we stop hosting to be mother earth for all and sundry we may have a little more in the kitty for our own.!!

Omg Julian McMahon,I'm in love...vote him in, I could look at him all day..

Dame - I can only assume you never met his father?

I have been in contact with my own MP and my daughter's. They have both been as helpful as they can be within their limited capabilities within the 'party' they represent.

I assume you are referring to cabinet ministers, well you aren't going to change their ways to anything outside the whip's line. In following the line I am afraid they all appear to be grasping/evasive individuals.

What a pity we couldn't clone 600 plus Claire Short MPs.

Easier said than done Snowie. A party is in government for a minimum of four years (barring votes of no confidence etc), and anything could happen in that time. Tony Blair, or any of his cabinet were not elected last time on the basis of what he would do with this current forthcoming recession. Gordon Brown wasn't elected at all. The economy had steady growth at the last general election.

There have been many times when a referendum shoudl have been held when major policies have had to change...but the ideal is that the MP will represent their electorate at such times.

I think if a referendum had been held on every policy change in the last ten years we would all be complaining about the amount of tax-payers money being spent on them. When it comes to money and where it is spent they can't win anyway LOL

Nilhist phylosophy "if voting meant anything it would have been banned years ago"
there are two sorts of fairy tales those that begin "once apon a time---"
and those that begin
"vote for me and I'll----"
Democracy is an awful form of goverment, the problem is that all the others are even worse