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So easy in 1848.

Sent for 2 dealth certs before I went away I knew one would be correct.

The one that it isnt states the man died aged 88 yrs of old age and no medical rep attended....just his son was with him....

As you say, Hayley, anything could happen and i bet some awful things did too,


Caz xxx

Not saying it was Caz...lol but he could of poisoned him anything....

Hayley - at the present time assuming that the death occurs at home, it is not obligatory for a Dr. to attend at death or even afterwards if death is expected.

Ergo............death could occur and if the Dr. is forwarned/anticipates the death, then he/she need not visit after death. Can simply provide death cert. and this can be taken to Registrar for death to be registered. If the means of disposal is burial, then no other Drs need see the deceased before disposal, and burial can take place. (In the case of cremation of course then two Drs. need to verify that the body may be disposed of)

So no Doctor need see the deceased after death, before interment

Jac

You mean now Jac....or then ?

Hayley....how funny are you?
I have hundreds of death certs with no-one of the medical profession in attendance...just family:0))

I mean now Hayley, and then also of course.

Jac

Jane its the first one I have ever seen......Jac thank you you learn something new everyday.

I always thought that if you died in hospital then no DR was required but was if you died at home.....

Oh and I have a few where the next door neighbour came in and sat with them till they went.

I have searched high and low for a bit of scandal or mystery to no avail:0))

It's a pleasure Hayley. Dr Shipman only got away with things for so long because some of his patients were buried - had they been cremated he would have been banged up long before.

Jac

Jane PMSL......

Jac that was only up the road to us........and I brought one of our 3 pieces suites from the shop next door to his place....

That is interesting. My 3xgreat grandparents' last children were twin babies, William and Elizabeth.

I got the death certificates for the twins last week - one died at 11 months, the other at 13 months, both from consumption and on the certificates it states "No medical attendant". I assumed this was because they were not well-off enough to pay the doctor, but given that they died of consumption, maybe it wasn't possible to predict exactly when they would die and so the doctor just called in to check on them now and then.

Kate...I did mean to put that they wouldn't really know when someone would actually die, but would come by and pronounce the death and who was in attendance.
Poor old fellas must have been run off their feet (and their horses) in those days.

Hayley :0)))) x

Sorry, but a doctor must certify death. Under certain circumstances, another qualified person may do so, but the extinction of life must be certified, regardless of where the death occurs or whether it was expected or not.

Cause of death must also be given.

A doctor (GP) may certify cause of death but there is an increasing trend for the death to be referred to the coroner, as a direct result of Shipman.

Ian
(ex coroners officer)

Very likely Kate = no need to visit if death imminent. Sorry state of affairs really, but it's a fact.

Hayley - sounds like a bargain to me!
lol (it wasnt second hand was it? cos I heard that he (Dr Shipman) was a beneficiary of the estates of some of his patients and would have disposed of the assets in the estates)

Jac


Jac

Ian -= sorry but you are wrong. There is no need for a Dr. to attend to certify death (and if you pm me I will tell you exactly how I know).

In theory, death may occur at home (or in a n/home, residental home) and provided the attending Dr. has visited 14 days or seen the patient 14 days prior to death, and death is anticipated, then the GP has no legal obligation to attend to confirm that death has occurred.

Those in attendance at death are "qualified" to confirm that death has occurred, and the attending GP will, if satisfied, issue a Certificate of Cause of Death without recourse to the Coroner. (Obviously if the GP thinks something is amiss or does not accept the circumstances of death, he/she will refer to the Coroner).

It is therefore perfectly feasilble that a death can occur, and the body disposed of by burial without a Dr. seeing the deceased.

Jac

No it ruddy wasnt...lol

Ian,
That is news to me as I have a few deaths in my present family where the doctor wasn't in attendance but did come round to pronounce death.

Sitting worrying now incase I get a knock at the door from the boys in blue:0)

Join the club Hayley,,

I have 4 now with just family --present, and of old age ,,,,,,,1840+ ,

they could have course been seen by a doc or md days before they died,,

Glad about that Hayley - cos it wouldnt have bin nice, would it? pmsl

Jac