General Chat

kitty

the reward for the children who behave and conform is self respect

my son worked from the age of 14 doing a paper round , then in a fish and chip, he left school and spent 4 years as an apprentice electrian.

If children are born into hard working families and taught the value of earning the money to buy what you want, not bum off the state, they will work , some families live off the state and it breeds whole generations who do the same.

Well done Kim for taking on the agency, luckily eldest Grandson was with a good agency although his mum was keeping an eye on his contract etc. he was offered a permanent job straight from being with the firm with the agency.

Ann
Glos

In some cases the children follow the parents, if the parents don't have a work ethic the children will usually follow suit. But where the parents work and the children don't want to, there doesn't appear to be a reason, unless it is rebellion, or following peers whose family are in the first group.

So far we have not had a problem in our family. Both our children have always had good jobs, neither went to Uni. The eldest Grandson is in work, went to uni, didn't like the course and immediately got himself a job. second eldest is still at college doing A levels, hoping to go to uni in september. meanwhile he started with two paper rounds, moved on to working in the paper shop and has just started work in a newly opened pub and restaurant. He told them he would take as many hours as they could give him, evenings and weekends and school holidays. He has also done voluntary work with the police on the 'sting', trying to get shops and pubs to serve him before he was 18. Third grandson has two paper rounds. None of them has been pushed into working. All have wanted to earn money.

Ann
Glos

It,s all too easy to blame the kids of today for being lazy but I know from experience that a lot of the jobs that are open to them are very poorly paid and have no opportunity for advancement .When I left school we had 4 factories in our town , a lot of us didn,t have a clue at 16 about which career we wanted so did a couple of years in factories .They have all gone now.
My son has just worked for 6 months for an agency in a call centre working shifts including Sat and Sundays .He travelled 15 miles a day there and back for £6.00 an hour .The company laid him off and explained that in 12 weeks they would ring him and offer him a permenant job , the reason being that if they took him on before then they would have to pay the agency a fee .My son was then told by the agency that he wasn,t entitled to his holiday pay as he hadn,t applied for it before Xmas and they were only paying him 11 hours outstanding pay ...
I used to be a recruitment consultant and read his contract , e-mailed them and today he has recieved 14.49 hrs holiday pay and an "underpayment" of 40.49 hours total money paid £259.35 after tax !..
Makes me wonder how many people this flippin agency have ripped off in the past ....
Kim xxx

There are good kids, bad kids, hard working kids and bone idle kids and the same applies to adults whatever their ages

Good for him Rose, our girls all worked part-time before they left school, they loved having their own money to spend on themselves or save.

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My son would love to be able to work....12 and a half...he really wants to do mowing,gardening etc (as i do for several people). he is perfectly competent and would do a good job...but unfortunately the law says he can't......
I wish he could as it would give him money he has earned himself and that sense of a job well done that he really enjoys.

Rose xx

Your discipline laws sound ridiculous!

Here, the children know all their rights and schools are very restricted in what they can do to punish bad behaviour.

I feel sorry for the children who always conform and behave..................no rewards for them.

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I have to admit that since my op and being on pension 3 and half yrs, I have become quite lazy, I would love to get back and do the work I enjoy, but might cause probs, even gardening knocks me up.

I have 4 children and I'm lucky, 3 of them have jobs but the fourth works for himself.So ,yes , I'd say it depends on the person.


Maddyxx

As I did mention, not all are the same, I have seen it in many and personally with our eldest son, but our youngest has held his first job for near 2 yrs and gets on well with supervision and management.
Discipline laws are different between countries, we here in Aust can have charge of abuse if we wag the finger at them or raise our voice, teachers will suspend the child for disruption to avoid legal conflict with a child. It is so screwed up here.

My daughter is 12 and half and cant wait until she can do a saturday job, she says its her way of contributing to me and her dad for giving her spending money until she is able to get her own.

It is completely up to her when she wishes to start. I had a paper round and found it an invaluable asset to aiding me to get a job when I left school even though I went to college first.

We have talked to both of our kids youngest 9 about being independant and assertive as we get older.

I also work with youngsters between 12 and 18 as an adult volunteer in the ACF and most kids really want to get out there and do something just that they are limited to what parents let them do and what jobs are available.

Catherine

I think that every generation has people that don't want to work and only think of themselves.

The youngsters today seem very like my generation at that age.

Most care very deeply about others and want to work and contribute to society..................a few are just plain lazy.

Parents haven't had the right to discipline taken away from them ...............we have a right and responsibility to teach right from wrong and make sure they aren't causing havoc when away from home.

No matter how hard we try though, some youngsters get into trouble, that's when the system lets us down and fails to punish them enough to stop them re-offending.

In my experience anyway.

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My eldest worked part time whilst in 6th form. Shes now a student nurse and also does bank shifts at local hosp. my 16 yr old is year 11 and works part time. Shes goes to college hopefully in September, but will continue to work at weekends. They need encouragement sometimes but the more we do the more they expect.

Both my kids worked while in their final years at school.
Daughter worked full time, then went part time while she did, and paid for her own uni education! Now just back from a teaching job in Japan and visit to work in Aus, and going on a course at Leeds to get a cert she needs to teach English in Europe.
Son had a difficult childhood with severe speech problems, now a trainee assistant bakery manager.
Working very difficult hours. (early mornings)
So it depends on their family example, if parents know all the ways to live on the dole kids learn it and follow suite.

The same comments were being made 50 years ago.

Kids are kids.

Hi all,
I do strongly believe that since we the parents have had the right to punish our children taken away, our children (not all) believe the have been given the right to do as they please knowing they can dob us in, I also believe that with the large amount of mixed drugs out there and lack of proper diet like we grew up with, they are always thinking there is a conspiracy against them, hence the violent reactions at nothing, we have a 29 yr old boy, he belives that we posted his picture around town at shops to stop the shops from selling smokes to him when he was 13, if you look at him sideways he seems to think he is being thought of in a bad way and a violent outburst erupts. While in a job he does put in good efforts, but starts to think he is working much harder than everyone and spits the dummy goes mad, throws things about then walks off the job.

i have 2 teenage girls both still at school and both have jobs and loads of confidance....all comes down to the individual child i suppose...couldnt be more proud of ours if we tried..Rachel..xxxxxx

I have found the opposite..the kids out here seem to be so self assured and confident. Possibly because plenty of work and can almost pick their job i know my lot are anyway.
Those that dont work here generally are ones that choose not to