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can anyone tell me if i can get a look at a dead relatives marriage certificate on here. i havent done this for a long time so ive lost touch. Im sure i have looked up marriage and birth certificate's before on Genes. alls im getting is a print out of just one of either of the spouses but no info regards their parents.

Genes don’t hold copies of any certificates

They will give the GRO ref that you would need to order a copy

Ancestry does have some parish copies of marriages but it’s hit or miss if it’s one you are interested in

It depends what year the marriage was. Most of the images of marriage records on Findmypast are from the 1800's.

More recent ones you will just get the GRO reference so you can order the certificate.

Kath. x

Civil registration began in 1837 although it wasn’t necessary to do so for some years.
Have a look at freebmd.org.uk

Before that and sometimes afterwards the only record was the church register.

FMP and Ancestry hold some certificate images

GR has never held such info.

Tell us which marriage you are interested in and someone will have a look

thanks for the info, much appreciated. I've come to a full stop on my father's side because i only have a name and no dates. i thought if i could get the marriage certificate of the son of this person, i can get the info on his parents and get further in the tree. The marriage certificate i need is between Walter Edward Day (birth 1879)
and Marie Isobel Adele Noele (birth1885) they were married on the 16/11/1901. Walter Edward day has a father named Robert Day but i cant find anything else on him or his wife. There have been family tales of him leaving his wife and family, one tale was that he had married another whilst still being married, and had another family somewhere.
If anyone can help that would be great, i can go on to hopfully solve the mystery.

Where did you find the exact date and father's name?

What was the groom's address? And his occupation?

Father's occupation?

You can order the marriage certificate from the GRO: Islington 4th quarter 1b/733

Marie is listed as NOEL on the GRO index.

If you do order the marriage certificate, be sure to request names exactly as shown on the index.

ie. do not quote full names unless they are shown on the index

An apparently well-researched tree on Ancestry ("belonging" to a great-grandchild of Walter) says that the witnesses to the marriage were I Laxton and Alfred Noel. Address given at time of marriage as 44 Charteris Road, London NW6.

The tree also says that Walter Edward's parents were Robert Day (born 1847 Hickling, Norfolk, died 1910 London) and Ellen Selina Hodgins (1853 Watford - 1930 Watford).

Westminster, London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935
Name Robert Day
Gender Male
Marriage Age Full Age
Marriage Date 10 Jul 1873
Marriage Place St Peter, Eaton Square, Pimlico, London, England
Parish as it Appears St Peters Pimlico
Father George Day
Spouse Ellen Selina Hodgins

The tree (which has lots of documentary evidence, and lots of info re siblings, etc) says that Robert's parents were George Day (1821-1902, Norfolk) and Mary Hawksworth (1821 Norfolk - 1891 Notts.)


Walter Edward died on 4 Oct 1936 in Lewisham (though his age stated at death doesn't fit with birth in 1879:

DAY, WALTER EDWARD 52
GRO Reference: 1936 D Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1064


His birth:

DAY, WALTER EDWARD mmn HODGINS
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 180

The tree says he had a visitor named Nellie Balders in 1921 - at Bellamy's Wharf, Rotherhithe . She called herself Day in 1939:

Nellie Day
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Nellie Day [Nellie Balders]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1891
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 60
Residence Place: Lewisham, London, England
Occupation: Domestic Duties
Line Number: 40
Schedule Number: 256
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Aotz
Borough: Lewisham
Registration district: 3/39b
Household Members (Name) Age
Nellie Day 48


Presumably this is him in 1921 - he's with a Nellie:

Walter Edward
Day
1883
Leyton, Essex, England
Lewisham
Lewisham
London, Kent

The tree owner thinks this is Walter in 1911, claiming to be single:

Walter Edward Day
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Walter Edward Day
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female [ mistranscribed - male on image ]
Birth Place: Leyton, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Letchworth
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 136 Common View, Letchworth, Herts
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Electrician Wirer
Registration District Number: 136
Sub-registration District: Baldock
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 7575
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Henry Gentle 35
Bertha Gentle 38
Sydney Pasil Gentle 4
Walter Edward Day 27
Ernest Huffer 24

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ancill Street, Fulham, London & Middlesex, England

Robert Day Head Married Male 44 1847 Detective sergeant met police Hickling, Norfolk, England
Ellen S Day Wife Married Female 38 1853 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Eliza E Day Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Dressmaker Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Robert P Day Son Single Male 15 1876 School boy London, Middlesex, England
Walter E Day Son - Male 8 1883 School boy Leyton, Essex, England
Alice M Day Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Plumstead, Kent, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
7, Aspenlea Road, Fulham, London & Middlesex, England

Robert Day Head Married Male 52 1849 Retired pensioned police offce Hickling, Norfolk, England
Ellen S Day Wife Married Female 48 1853 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Alice M Day Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Plumstead, Kent, England
George W Day Son Single Male 5 1896 - Fulham, Middlesex, England

DAY, ALICE MAUD HODGINS
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1181

DAY, GEORGE WILLIAM HODGINS
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 264

How did you work back to Walter Edward Day?

What is the PROVEN line from your father?

I can't tell from your post whether you want info on Walter and Marie, or only on his parents.

Walter and Marie's children:

DAY, MARIE HELENE mmn NOEL
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 362

DAY, WALTER ROBERT ALFRED mmn NOEL
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1309


Strangely recorded 1911 - young Marie listed as a visitor, and mother with new partner Walter Frost

Marie Day
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Marie Day
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: HENDON, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 26 Albion Road, Stoke Newington N
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration District: Stoke Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 1019
Household Members:
Name Age
James Guy 31
Ethel Guy 29
Reginald Guy 8
Dorothy Guy 7
Marjorie Guy 4
Kathleen Guy 0
Elizabeth Guy 64
Constance Sharpe 17
Ernest Simons 7
Walter Frost 31 - boarder, traveller (printing), Tottenham, London
Adele Frost 26 - boarder , Folkestone
Marie Day 5



Remarriage for Marie (senior):

Marriages Jun 1944 (>99%)
DAY Marie I A Schofield Paddington 1a 86
SCHOFIELD Charles Day Paddington 1a 86


Deaths Mar 1968 (>99%)
SCHOFIELD MARIE A 83 HAMPSTEAD 5B 879

Name: Walter Robert Day
Gender: Male
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: abt 1902
Residence Place: Harrow
Death Date: 23 Jul 1970
Obituary Date: 31 Jul 1970
Obituary Place: Harrow, London, England
Newspaper Title: Harrow Observer
Spouse: Kathleen


1939 Register
145 Cannon Lane, Pinner, Harrow U.D., Middlesex, England
Walter R A Day 22 May 1902 Male Salesman Engaged In Supvision Of Evection Of Army Huts Married 122 1
Kathleen (Minnie) Day 26 Jan 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 122 2
The record for this person is officially closed.

Rita K Breese (Day) 22 Jul 1927 Female At School Single 122 4
The record for this person is officially closed.

The record for this person is officially closed.

Name: Vincent R A Day
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar 1921
Registration District: Paddington
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Kathleen W Challis
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 169

Births Sep 1927 (>99%)
Day Rita K Challis Paddington 1a 30

Rita and probable brothers ERIC and ROY and sisters MADGE and SHEILA are in Kathryn Bryant's GR tree

The poster's father, I strongly suspect. He is certainly in her GR tree

Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
Day Roy V Challis Pancras 1b 84

Name: Kathleen Minnie Challis
Baptism Age: 13
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 26 Jan 1901
Baptism Date: 29 Apr 1914
Baptism Place: Paddington Emmanuel, Westminster
Father: Ray Felix Robert Challis
Mother: Annie Challis

Name: Kathleen Winifred Day
Death Date: 29 Nov 1983
Death Place: Albans Herts
Probate Date: 22 Mar 1984
Probate Registry: Brighton

Deaths Dec 1983 (>99%)
DAY KATHLEEN WINIFRED 26JA1901 ST ALBANS 10 585

Name: Ray Felix Robert Challis
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1871
Marriage Date: 12 Feb 1900
Marriage Place: St Peter, Islington, Islington, England
Father: Ray Challis Challis
Spouse: Annie Newton
Register Type: Parish Register

CHALLIS, DORIS EDITH NEWTON
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 24
CHALLIS, MARJORY GERTRUDE NEWTON
GRO Reference: 1903 J Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 58
CHALLIS, MINNIE KATHLEEN NEWTON
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 50