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Looking for any relatives of William & Hannah joy nee mortuary
My dad was one of thirteen children I believe .he had siblings not many will be living but hope to trace cousins second cousins any link to be trueful
Regards carol

Carol -
it's highly unlikely that anyone related to William and Hannah will happen to see your post.

Go to "Search all member trees", under "Search" at top right of this page, and enter names of anyone in your tree. If you find that any other GR member has that person in their tree, click on "Find out more" and send them a message explaining your interest.

No guarantee of a reply, but you may be lucky.


If you would like the helpers here on the boards to try to help, please give us some dates and further information.
Was William your dad? Or grandfather? It's not clear from your post.
What were the siblings' names?


As a possible start:

William Joy
in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: William Joy
Death Date: 16 Jun 1935
Cemetery: Dromavally Burial Ground
Burial or Cremation Place: Killorglin, County Kerry, Ireland
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Hannah Joy


Gravestone says:

In Loving Memory Of
WILLIAM JOY
Bansha Killorglin
Died 16-June 1935
His Wife HANNAH
Died 11-May 1975

Erected By Their Loving
Daughter JOAN & Family

SR District/Reg Area - Killarney
Marriage of Hannah Murphy and William Joy
on 09 March 1929

Party 1 Name Hannah Murphy
Party 2 Name William Joy
Date of Event 09 March 1929
Group Registration ID 1444268
SR District/Reg Area Killarney

William Joy, full age, bachelor, labourer, Bansha, Killorglin.
Father: William Joy, labourer.

Hannah Murphy, full age, spinster, domestic servant, Finnahulla (?), Killorglin.
Father: Thomas Murphy, labourer.

Witnesses: John Joy and ElizerbethyKnightly.

His father:

William Joy
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: William Joy
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1871
Birth Place: Co Kerry
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
House Number: 5
Residence Place: Banshagh, Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland
Relation to Head: Son
Occupation: Farm Servant
Religion: Roman Catholic
Language Spoken: Irish and English
Literacy: Read and write
Household Members Age Relationship
Michael Joy 64 Head of Family (Head)
Julia Joy 60 Wife
Bridget Joy 17 Daughter
William Joy 30 Son
Michael Joy 25 Son
James Joy 20 Son


William Joy
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name: William Joy
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1871
Birth Place: Co Kerry
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
House Number: 6
Townland/Street: Banshagh
County: Kerry
Country: Ireland
Electoral District: Killorglin
Literacy: Read and write
Language Spoken: Irish and English
Occupation: Servant Coacheman
Religion: Roman Catholic
Relationship: Son
URL:
Household Members Age Relationship
Michael Joy 76 Head of Family (Head)
Julia Joy 73 Wife
William Joy 40 Son
Michael Joy 38 Son
James Joy 29 Son



William Joy
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: William Joy
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1869
Birth Place: Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland
Baptism Place: Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland
Father: Michael Joy
Mother: Julia Foley
FHL Film Number: 101189

It is likely that both William and Hannah would be on the 1911 census. If so, this could give leads to their siblings.

Edit : I see that AG has found some options on the census.
The 1935 death suggests that William was born in 1901.

Carol really needs to provide some more information.

??? William's father again -

William Joy
in the Scotland, Ireland and Wales, Militia Attestation Papers, 1800-1915
>>>>>>>> View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: William Joy
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1869
Birth Place: Yuogh, Killorglin, Kerry, Ireland
Enlistment Date: 23 Jul 1888
Enlistment Place: Tralee Ireland
Regiment: 101st Foot (R. Munster Fusiliers)
Service Number: 876

The censuses, baptism and military record above must be for William's father.


Your William was born c1901:

SR District/Reg Area - Tralee

Death of William Joy in 1935
Name William Joy
Date of Death 1935
Group Registration ID 1660022
SR District/Reg Area Tralee
Deceased Age at Death 34

16 June 1935, at County Hospital, Tralee.
William Joy, from Grancha, Killorglin.
Married, labourer.
Pulmonary tuberculosis.

SR District/Reg Area - Killarney
Birth of WILLIAM JOY on 14 January 1902
Name WILLIAM JOY
Date of Birth 14 January 1902
Group Registration ID 7223383
SR District/Reg Area Killarney
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname HURLEY

Born at Bansha.
Father: William Joy, Bansha, labourer.
Mother: Johanna Joy, formerly Hurley


I don't see him in 1911.

Do you know all of the people who seem to have YOUR details in their GR trees?


Your parents?
Marriages Jun 1961 (>99%)
HULL Pauline A JOY Bradford 2b 218
JOY Michael J HULL Bradford 2b 218


JOY, MICHAEL JOSEPH 1935
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2005 in BRADFORD (0811B) Reg B70A Entry Number 106

EDIT
Birth of bride above (MMN Shooter) confirms it is the right couple

Irish bmd records and some earlier records are available through https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
Site is free to use

the 1929 marriage certificate image is available at https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1929/09063/5278955.pdf

The 1889 marriage certificate below also available

Hmmm - maybe I'm on the wrong track entirely.

Need more info from Carol.

William 1869 of Bansha, in the censuses, is single in 1911 - so not the father of William 1902 ??

????

SR District/Reg Area - Killarney

Marriage of WILLIAM JOY and JOHANNA HURLEY
on 05 March 1889

Party 1 Name WILLIAM JOY
Party 2 Name JOHANNA HURLEY
Date of Event 05 March 1889
Group Registration ID 2502597
SR District/Reg Area Killarney

5 March 1889 at Killorglin.
William Joy, 29, bachelor, labourer, Bansha.
Father: James Joy, labourer.

Johanna Hurley, 20, spinster, labourer's daughter, Killorglin.
Father: John Hurley, labourer.

Witnesses: Patrick Reilly and Katie Reilly.

William son of william & Johanna is on 2 Ancestry trees ( one is a direct descendant of William & Johanna) from where I got this :

Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
View record
Record details
Name Willie Joy
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Age 8
Birth Year 1903
Birth Place Co Kerry
Residence Date 2 Apr 1911
House Number 4
Townland/Street Banshagh
County Kerry
Country Ireland
Electoral District Killorglin
Literacy Read and write
Occupation Scholar
Religion Roman Catholic
Relationship Son
Household members
Name Age
William Joy 57
Johanna Joy 43
James Joy 23
Michael Joy 21
Kate Joy 15
John Joy 14
Maggie Joy 12
Willie Joy 8
Hannah Joy 4
Close

Children of William and Johanna - from the same site https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/

James 16.5.1890
Michael 20.6.1891
Catherine 2.12.1893
Mary 3.5.1895 ? died 22.11.1895 age 6 months - reg'd by Father William
Margaret 7.9.1896
John 9.4.1899
William 14.1.1902
Mary 16.8.1904

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie - Census 1901/1911 - free to use

Census Years1901
Kerry Killorglin Banshagh

Residents of a house 3 in Banshagh (Killorglin, Kerry)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Joy Kate 7 Female Daughter R Catholic Kerry - Cannot read - Not Married -
Joy Maggie 5 Female Daughter R Catholic Kerry - Cannot read - Not Married -
Joy William 40 Male Head of Family R Catholic Kerry Labourer Read Irish and English Married -
Joy Kate 80 Female Mother R Catholic Kerry No Occupation Cannot read Irish and English Widow -
Joy John 2 Male Son R Catholic Kerry - Cannot read - Not Married -
Joy Michl 9 Male Son R Catholic Kerry Scholar Read - Not Married -
Joy James 10 Male Son R Catholic Kerry Scholar Read - Not Married -
Joy Johanna 26 Female Wife R Catholic Kerry - Read and write Irish and English Married -

Name KATE JOY
Date of Death 1905
Group Registration ID 4806932
SR District/Reg Area Killarney
Deceased Age at Death 84

From image - died 16.10.1905 at Bansha (sic)
Labourer's widow
Cause - natural decay of 3 months
Registered by som william, present at death

You need to be working backwards, Carol, so that you know you have the correct line.

Where did you find the surname 'MORTUARY'?

From a tree - of sorts - on Ancestry, 'owned' by a relative on the poster's mother's side
Michael Joseph Joy
Father william joy
Mother hannah moriarty
Birth 22 Mar 1935 Kerry, Ireland
Death Jul 2005 England

Name: Michael Joy
Birth Date: 1935
Birth Place: Ireland
Birth Registration Date: Sep 1935
Birth Registration Place: Listowel, Ireland
Mother: Moriarty
Volume: 5
Page: 313
FHL Film Number: 101233

William JOY and Hanna MORIARTY married on 10th September 1918 at Glenbeigh in district of Caherciveen as per Irish BMD

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09723/5527934.pdf
His declared age 30
Her declared age 25

His father Patrick, Labourer
Her father Jeremiah, Farmer
Witnesses Dan and Minnie Moriarty