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Thank you Argllgran..

Yes I was reading through earlier but limited on a small screen but have a couple of free days coming up and excited by all what you have given..

Truly grateful
Susan

Jemima Bray
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Jemima Bray
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwold, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 129 Pembroke St
Marital status: Widow
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Charwoman
Registration District: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 35b
Neighbors:
Piece: 235
Folio: 22
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Jemima Bray 54
William Bray 13


Jemima Brady
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Jemima Brady
Gender: Female
Age: 67
Relationship: Mother-in-law
Birth Year: 1824
Child: Georgina Hoopes
Birth Place: Southwold, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
Residence Place: London City, Islington, London, England
Registration District: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington South West
ED, Institution or Vessel: 35
Neighbors:
Piece: 156
Folio: 105
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Hoopes 49 - [Hooper on image ]
Georgina Hoopes 36
Charles F Hoopes 15
Emily M Hoopes 13
George J Hoopes 17
Jane Hoopes 9
William E Hoopes 7
Harold L Hoopes 3
Elois A Hoopes 1
Jemima Brady 67 - charwoman, Southwold, Suffolk [ Bray on image ]
Frederick Brady 9 - nephew, Islington

Address: 120 Pembroke Street.
At the same address, but different household are William Bray 23 (glazed bottle stopperer ), his wife Rose E 21 and son William G, 2 months.



Deaths Sep 1899 (>99%)
Bray Jemima 72 Islington 1b 240

It looks, therefore, as if the 1861 and 1871 censuses I posted for Kezia, and her birth, are correct.

Her mother Jemima married George John Hutchinson in 1850 as posted by GG.

I assume Thomas Bray (in 1861) and George Bray (in 1871) are one and the same - both born in Suffolk and both bricklayer's labourers.



Jemima's second marriage:

Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)
Hutchinson Jemima Winefred Islington 1b 398

Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)
Bray George Islington 1b 390 [page number unreadable on image ]


Jemima and first husband in 1851:

Jemima Hutchinson
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Jemima Hutchinson
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Hutchinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwell, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Stepney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Whitechapel
Sub-registration District: Mile End New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2e
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 178
Piece: 1544
Folio: 177
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hutchinson 23 - Islington, stone mason
Jemima Hutchinson 25


George with his parents and siblings in 1841:

George Hutchinson
in the 1841 England Census
Name: George Hutchinson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Islington West
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington West
Neighbors:
Piece: 665
Book: 8
Folio: 31
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Hutchinson 55
Robt Hutchinson 29 - stone mason
Christopher Hutchinson 25
Stephen Hutchinson 22
Elizabeth Hutchinson 20
Mary Hutchinson 18
Thomas Hutchinson 16
George Hutchinson 12
Grace Hutchinson 1
Isabella Hutchinson 14


His death:

HUTCHINSON, GEORGE JOHN 28
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT Volume 01B Page 152


George John Hutchinson
in the London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003
Name: George John Hutchinson
Age: 28
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1826
Death Date: abt 1854
Burial Date: 5 Sep 1854
Burial Place: St Mary, Islington, Islington, England
Register Type: Parish Register

Well greyghost the marriage certificate has arrived

William John Jackson married Kezia Hutcheson
21st October 1871
Islington
Fathers were Charles Jackson Coal Porter and George Hutcheson Stone Mason

Now maybe the information showing three children born and died are correct too..

Now to go from here

Many thanks
Susan

Thank you Mary,
.
i'm guessing that's where i must have got it from

Susan

Baptism Emma Rowlett oct 1876 at St Marys Islington
When you look at original it has Daur underneath name Emma,I think someone has missred this as saying Dawn.

Maryb

The 1891 census was taken on 5th April, so Kezia should be on it somewhere, even if her death was registered in the Sept/Oct/Dec quarter.

Thank you all for your input..
I'm not sure where i got the Dawn from in Emma..it is wrong though as just looked on her birth certificate and she was definitely Emma Rowlett born 5 sept 1876

Married William John jackson 28 August 1899 he was a widower and she was a spinster.

Also found a death for Kezia jackson Sept 1891
Could explain why she wasn't on the 1891 census..
I'm now wondering if he married again between then and 1899??

I think i will purchase the death certificate for Emma, it's strange that she never remarried as many did soon after back then..

Also need to look into this younger William Jackson on the 1891 census..

Dad could have meant Emma was 50 when she passed,as he is getting confused now i don't want to add more to what i'm asking

I really appreciate everyones time

could this be William on 1891 census? He's a widower.

Name: William Jackson
Gender: Male
Age: 39
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1852
Child: William Jackson
Birth Place: St Pancras, London, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Residence Place: St Pancras, London, England
Registration District: Pancras
Sub registration district: Somers Town
ED, Institution or Vessel: 14a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 128
Folio: 95
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jackson 39
William Jackson 14

What about this for Keziah although birth isn't in the right place.

Name: Keziah Jackson
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relationship to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Clewer, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: St George Hannover Square
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 15 Commercial Rd Refuge For Fallen Women)
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Laundress
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 109
Folio: 39
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Cooper 54
Elizabeth Robinson 34
Mary H. Grange 56
Jane Sparkes 39
Emma Wright 31
Ruth Woolford 27
Agnes M. Mc Intyre 39
Fanny L. Cook 19
Mary Ann Wilson 15
Eliza E. Cook 22
Caroline Jones 31
Rose Williams 42
Ellen Bent 17
Sarah Hobbs 17
Frances L. Cassemore 29
Keziah Jackson 31

The obvious way to proceed is to get a copy of the 1925 death cert, for informant's details

You said,
"My father said she passed in 50s, I've spoken to auntie and she said she wasn't alive in 1940 when she was born!! "

Could your father have meant that Emma was in her 50s ?
If the 1925 death is the right one, she was 49.

Where did you get the second forename for Emma?

Nothing on any official records to support the suggestion - and Dawn was certainly not a normal 19th century name

Some trees on Ancestry have added 'Dawn', but they don't have ANY documentary backup to substantiate the addition

They variously suggest that she died in 1950 or 1955

This may be the basis for one of the dates - but this is apparently for an older woman

Name: Emma Jackson
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: abt 1873
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec 1950
Registration District: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 5a
Page: 554

............probably this one in 1939 (Romford reg'n district includes Hornchurch)

Sunnyside Up Berwick Road, Rainham, Hornchurch U.D., Essex, England
Emma Jackson 03 Dec 1873 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 147 4

If, as seems to me to be very likely, the 1916 death posted by AG (and on page one by greyghost) is William's - perhaps she re-married?

???

JACKSON, WILLIAM JOHN 64
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 607

Born 5th Sept 1876, on the image:

Emma Rowlett
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Emma Rowlett
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Oct 1876
Baptism Place: Islington St Mary, Islington, England
Father: Zerubbabel Rowlett
Mother: Jane Rowlett
Register Type: Parish Registers


??? Have you ruled this one out ?

Emma Jackson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Emma Jackson
Death Age: 49
Birth Date: abt 1876
Registration Date: Jan 1925
[Feb 1925]
[Mar 1925]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 736

Another mystery??

I cant seem to find the death of my great grandmother.

She was Emma Dawn Jackson nee Rowlett

Born 1876 Islington ( I think )

My father said she passed in 50s, I've spoken to auntie and she said she wasn't alive in 1940 when she was born!!
My father has Parkinsons and now diagnosed with dementia so I'm guessing he's getting confused and I dont like pushing him too much..
He did say she lived in Tilbury Essex when he was young but even on this km not sure if hes correct!!
Thanks in advance

your Kezia theory looks a reasonable scenario ArgyllGran

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1850 (>99%)

Hutchinson George John Islington 3 293
Sherman Jemima Winifred Islington 3 293


Kezia's birth from the GRO site, just looking with surnames

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HUTCHINSON, KI.Z.A WINIFRED SHERMAN
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 326

sibling

HUTCHINSON, GEORGINA SHERMAN
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT Volume 01B Page 183

Would be interesting to pin William down 1891 and Kezia 1881.

I wonder if she is hospitalied - or similar - having, it looks like, given birth to 3 children and lost them all. There may have been other pregnancies.

The marriage certificate of Kezia to William might yield clues as to her origins if that is a correct marriage. Would give her age, hopefully accurate, and Father's name. Let us know all the details when you receive it - come back to this thread, posting will bring it back to the top of the board.

If the 1891 death is correct, then I know her death was registered as Jackson.
However, she's not with William in 1881 - he's with Ellen, if that's the right 1881 record. Maybe Kezia returned to her maiden name for a while ??


???
Kezia Hutcherson
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Kezia Hutcherson
[Kezia Hutchinson]
Gender: Female
Age: 40
Relationship: Patient
Birth Year: 1851
Birth Place: Blackfriars, London, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Residence Place: Lambeth, London, England
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, Institution or Vessel: St Thomas Hospital

Married; mantle maker



In view of the name of her daughter Mary Ann Jemima, perhaps this is Kezia in 1861:

Kesiah Hutchinson
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Kesiah Hutchinson
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: 1852
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 151
Piece: 130
Folio: 71
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Bray 34 - Southwold, Suffolk, bricklayers labourer
Jemima Bray 33
Kesiah Hutchinson 9 - daughter-in-law [ ie - stepdaughter ]
Georgiana Hutchinson 7 - daughter-in-law [ stepdaughter ]
Mary Ann Bray 15
Sarah Sharman 20 - sister-in-law


Kezia Bray
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Kezia Bray
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: 1853
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: London Middlesex England
Civil Parish: Islington St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Household Schedule Number: 448
Piece: 266
Folio: 40
Page Number: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
George Bray 47 - Suffolk - bricklayers labourer
Jemima Bray 47
Kezia Bray 18 - general servant
Mary A Bray 12
Jane Bray 9
William Bray 3


BRAY, WILLIAM mms SHERMAN
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 215

BRAY, JANE mms SHERMAN
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 192

BRAY, MARY ANN mms SHEARMAN
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 204


Kezia Winifred Hutchinson
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Kezia Winifred Hutchinson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 16 Jul 1852
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1852
Baptism Place: Saint Leonards,Shoreditch,London,England
Father: George John Hutchinson
Mother: Jemima Winifred


Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
Hutchinson Kira Winfred Whitechapel 1c 326

Can't find that birth on GRO website.
FreeBMD says "We do not have a reference to a scan for this entry but this quarter does have scans available."
The original image can be viewed on FreeBMD, and the transcription above is correct.

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

A simple search as below is free, but you need to register and buy pay to view vouchers (from £5) or a subscription to use advanced search to open each of those records for the information they might contain

Site shows a Kezia Jackson buried 14 Sept. 1891 in Islington and a William John Jackson buried 26 June 1916 also in Islington