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Thank you everyone sorry had a death in the family so really havent been on here will get back to it when i feel ready

That lot are an extra generation removed from Louise

And people tell fibs ;-) ;-)

The Douglas born in Lambeth 1883 has siblings:

Donald 1882, Alexander 1880, Jessie Violet 1888, Ivy 1892, Noel Iris 1895.

So not him, if the 8 brothers story is correct.

Everything I've posted fits with the 1945 marriage, IMO, apart, perhaps, from the birth, which isn't vital at this stage

The man born 1883 wasn't the poster's grandfather - her grandfather was born in 1919 and married in 1945

And she had TWO grandfathers

If Douglas was indeed one of 8 brothers, then I don't think the one born in Bengal is the right man. (Unless 6 of the brothers aren't showing on Ancestry.)


Marriage of the parents of the Douglas born in Bengal:

William Henry Mcdonald
in the India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948
Name: William Henry Mcdonald
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Birth Date: 1845
Marriage Date: 13 Mar 1877
Marriage Place: Agra, Bengal, India
Father: William Henry Mcdonald
Spouse: Grace Cavanagh


William Henry Mcdonald
in the India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
Name: William Henry Mcdonald
Gender: Male
Age: 52
Birth Date: 1845
Death Date: 21 Jul 1897
Burial Date: 22 Jul 1897
Burial Place: Washermanpettah, Madras, India
FHL Film Number: 527458

Grace Macdonald
in the India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
Name: Grace Macdonald
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Age: 29
Birth Date: 1862
Death Date: 16 Nov 1891
Burial Date: 17 Nov 1891
Burial Place: Jhansi, Bengal, India
Spouse: William Macdonald



Douglas's siblings, all born in Bengal:

Grace Christiana, born May 1889, baptised 19/11/1891
Margaret Annie, 16/11/1884, bapt 22/12 /1884
Flora, 4/1/1886, bapt 25/4/1886
Ronald, 11/6/1881, bapt 22/12/1884




A tree on Ancestry (for what that's worth) says Agnes's husband was born in London 1884 - but no proof given.

No sign of any such birth, apart from this one:

MCDONALD, DOUGLAS ALLAN mms YARROW
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 494

But Agnes's husband has no middle initial at marriage, and spells his surname differently.

Other parts of that tree seem correct, and supported by documentation.

PM from the OP

The 1945 Macdonald-Gomm marriage is that of her grandparents - so everything else fits

I've asked her to return.

1901

Name: James J Reddy
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Agnes E Reddy
Birth Place: Nf
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1580
Folio: 167
Page Number: 39
Household schedule number: 229
Household Members:
Name Age
James J Reddy 32
Agnes E Reddy 20
James J T Reddy 6/12************

Name: James Thomas Scott Reddy
Baptism Date: 1 Mar
Baptism Place: Victoria Docks, The Ascension, Essex, England
Father: James Reddy
Mother: Agnes Ellen Reddy

Name: James John Thomas Reddy
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 31
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1901
Marriage Date: 16 Jan 1932
Marriage Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Parish as it Appears: Rozelle Balmain West St Thomas
Father: James Reddy
Mother: Agnes Reddy
Spouse: Elsie Jane Pont

Name: James John Thomas Reddy
Gender: Male
Electoral Date: 1958
Electoral Place: Gladesville, Bennelong, New South Wales, Australia

1939

Bells Hill, Eton R.D., Buckinghamshire, England
Frederick E Day 01 Apr 1908 Male Painter (House) Married 221 1
Gertrude M Day 01 Dec 1907 Female Housewife Married 221 2

First name(s) FREDERICK ERNEST
Last name DAY
Gender Male
Birth day 1
Birth month 4
Birth year 1908
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1983
District Chiltern & Beaconsfield
County Buckinghamshire

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Reddy John F Scott W.Ham 4a 330
Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
Reddy Jessie E Scott W. Ham 4a 340

5 children living in 1911 - ONE has died.

Plus the two above = EIGHT

Name: Gertrude Reddy
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: West Ham, London, Essex
Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 16 Custom House, Winton Road E
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 9481
Household Members:
Name Age
James Reddy 41*****************born Newfoundland
Agnes Ellen Reddy 31
James Reddy 10
Nellie Reddy 8
Thomas Reddy 6
Gertrude Reddy 3
Edward Reddy 1

Name: James Reddy
Death Age: 45
Birth Date: abt 1871
Registration Date: Jan 1916
[Feb 1916]
[Mar 1916]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 164

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

First name(s) DOUGLAS
Last name MACDONALD
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1917
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

DOUGLAS MACDONALD married one of these people

Agnes E Reddy

Spouse's last name Reddy
District West Ham
District number -
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Volume as transcribed 4A
Page number 418


Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Reddy James Woolwich 1d 2238
SCOTT Agnes Ellen Woolwich 1d 2238



Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
Reddy Gertrude Margaret W. Ham 4a 175


First name(s) GERTRUDE M
Last name REDDY
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1933
GERTRUDE M REDDY married
Frederick E Day
District Billericay

Gertrude's name was NEVER Macdonald

Name: Gertrude Margaret Day
Death Age: 89
Birth Date: 1 Dec 1907
Registration Date: Jun 1997
Registration district: Bracknell
Inferred County: Berkshire
Register Number: 28
District and Subdistrict: 3181
Entry Number: 295

Parish register of MARRIAGE - slight mistranscription

Name: Gertrude Margaret Reedy
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1908
Marriage Date: 30 Sep 1933
Marriage Place: Laindon-Cum-Basildon, St Nicholas (Laindon) and Holy Cross (Basildon), Essex, England
Father: James Reedy
Spouse: Frederick Ernest Day
Father: William Day

??????????

1939

16 Winton Road, West Ham C.B., Essex, England
Douglas Macdonald 05 Jun 1883 Male Stevedor (Heavy Work Married 54 1
Josephine McIver 27 Jun 1908 Female Paid Domestic House Work Single 54 2
The record for this person is officially closed.


BIRTH

First name(s) Douglas
Last name Macdonald
Birth year 1883
Birth date 05 Jun 1883
Baptism year 1883
Baptism date 22 Dec 1884
Place Dacca,St Thomas
Presidency Bengal
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Macdonald
Mother's first name(s) Grace
Mother's last name -

I'm confused by all the above, so not sure if the family in 1881 is relevant or not!

James and Gertrude from the 1881 census posted by Erika:

SCOTT, JAMES THOMAS mms HAZELL
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 33

SCOTT, GERTRUDE LOUIE mms HAZELL
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 18

and Agnes:

SCOTT, AGNES ELLEN mms HAZELL
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 5



Parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
Hazell Agnes Upsdell Winchester 2c 202
Scott James Winchester 2c 202

Name: Flora Margaret Coleman
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 7 Sep 1917
Registration Date: Jun 2000
Registration district: Chichester
Inferred County: West Sussex
Register Number: B54B
District and Subdistrict: 7792B
Entry Number: 107

WHO was your grandfather - you refer to him in your opening post - please?

Is this AGNES in 1939?

3 Somerset Road, Billericay U.D., Essex, England
Agnes E Macdonald 11 Jun 1880 Female Charwoman Married 102 1
Flora M Coleman (Macdonald) 07 Sep 1917 Female Cashier Single 102 2

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Macdonald Flora N Scott W.Ham 4a 231

2 siblings

Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Macdonald Douglas R V Scott W. Ham 4a 361 S
Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
MACDONALD Grace E Scott W Ham 4a 377


Marriages Sep 1945 (>99%)
Gamm Ivy E Macdonald Brentwood 4a 2246
MacDonald Douglas R V Gomm Brentwood 4a 2246

No Gertrude - yet.

Of course, this may be a different family

Don't EVER rely on other people's trees.

The 'info' you're posting is not even remotely accurate

Start with what you KNOW..............your parents

Look for their births, then for the marriages of their parents.

If you're struggling, I'll try to help...................

Give me some FACTS on which to work

The woman who died in 1999 was a Humphrey at birth

Here's her marriage

Name: Gertrude E M Humphrey
Registration Date: Jul 1934
[Aug 1934]
[Sep 1934]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Spouse: Mcdonald
Volume Number: 2b

im getting this off my ex brother in laws tree thanks for the help