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Thomas William Weller b 1850

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greyghost

greyghost Report 21 Apr 2020 22:36

How did I find the family you THINK is yours in 1861 - as I said in the posts - variant spelling of surname.

Not impossible but unlikely that a man born 1850/1 would be marrying in 1866

The marriage you site is for a Thomas (not a Thomas William) Weller.

None of the records to go with the family you think are yours have him as Thomas William.

He's shown as single in both 1871 and 1881

You say "your" Thomas William dies in 1882, but the one you think he is is Thomas and is still alive in 1891

Please look at the info and take us through the proven facts working back from yourself

EDIT - just seen your above reply.

You can't make (or assume that) families "fit". You have to prove from one generation to the next, working backwards. People's trees are full of things that "fit", but it's surprising how many of them actually don't.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2020 09:25

How did you manage to get the wrong year for your father’s birth?The record is on freebmd

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

And here's his death from FMP with actual DOB


First name(s) HAROLD GEORGE
Last name WELLER
Gender Male
Birth day 28
Birth month 4
Birth year 1929
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1996
District Hastings & Rother
District number 4561C
Register number C57A
Entry number 173

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2020 11:20

1939 for your grandparents

3 closed records, of which one will be your father

7 Cadboro Terrace, Rye M.B., Sussex, England

Charles A Weller 03 Jan 1903 Male Railway Signalman Married 86 1
Winifred V Weller 13 Dec 1903 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 86 2
Eileen L Farrier (Weller) 25 Sep 1925 Female At School Single 86 3
Gordon K Weller 14 Oct 1927 Male At School Single 86 4
The record for this person is officially closed.x 3
Patricia M L Williams (Weller) 23 Oct 1931 Female

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Apr 2020 11:32

WELLER, CHARLES ALFRED (MMN) WAIT
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in RYE Volume 02B Page 2

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Wait Louisa Rye 2b 13
Weller Thomas William Rye 2b 13

Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Weller Louisa 23 Rye 2b 1

Looks like she may have died in childbirth

Thomas re-married -

Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
Weller Thomas W Wenham Rye 2b 7
Wenham Ellen Weller Rye 2b 7

Probate for second wife

Name: Ellen Weller (widow)
Death Date: 27 Jul 1950
Death Place: Sussex, England
Probate Date: 6 Oct 1950
Probate Registry: London, England
Probate to Winifred Moody, wife of Frederick William Moody

Marriages Dec 1937 (>99%)
Moody Frederick W Weller Battle 2b 149
Weller Winifred Moody Battle 2b 149

Name: Winifred Weller
Mother's Maiden Name: Wenham
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Rye
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 5

Gary

Gary Report 30 Apr 2020 14:38

Hi ErikaH
Many thanks for the info, your amazing. I will need a some time to digest this information. I can be a bit slow at times, like getting my dads birth date wrong, I have his marriage cert in front of me, and I miscalculated his birth year. You might have to talk me through the 1939 info, firstly where can I access the census of 1939, and what are closed records ? . I will come back to you in a few days regarding Winifred Weller / Moody , i'm still trying to get my head around it all.
PS; Louisa Weller nee Wait, sadly died 10 days after giving birth to my granddad Charles Alfred Weller.
Many thanks and Stay Safe
Gary :-)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Apr 2020 15:03

I'll answer your questions now -

1939 register (not a census) is on Find My Past and Ancestry (both subscription sites)

"The record for this person is officially closed"

For individual people, records remain closed for a century after their birth (the 100-year rule), unless it can be proven that they passed away before this milestone. Use the ‘Open This Record’ button if you believe that this person is now deceased

Winifred in 1939

58 Cadbow Street, Rye M.B., Sussex, England
Thomas W Weller 01 Nov 1877 Male Permanent Way Labourer Married 229 1
Ellen Weller 10 Dec 1875 Female Invalid Wife Married 229 2
Frederick W Moody 04 Oct 1903 Male Labourer Catchment Board Married 229 3
Winifred Moody 25 Dec 1914 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 229 4
William G Hammond 26 Feb 1914 Male Permanent Way Labourer Heavy Worker Single 229 5

One possible child for Frederick and Winifred on freebmd

Frederick's death

Deaths Sep 1967 (>99%)
Moody Frederick W 63 Battle 5h 7

and Winifred's

First name(s) WINIFRED
Last name MOODY
Gender Female
Birth day 25
Birth month 12
Birth year 1914
Death quarter 3
Death year 2000
District Southampton
District number 5001E
Register number E22A
Entry number 020
Date of registration mm/yy 0800

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Apr 2020 17:55

Marriages Dec 1948 (>99%)
Farrier Reginald J Weller Battle 5h 61
Weller Eileen L Farrier Battle 5h 61

First name(s) EILEEN LOUISE
Last name FARRIER
Gender Female
Birth day 25
Birth month 9
Birth year 1925
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1999
District Hastings & Rother

Marriages Sep 1951 (>99%)
JEMISON Rosemary S WELLER Ashford 5b 89
WELLER Gordon K JEMISON Ashford 5b 89

Deaths Dec 1980 (>99%)
WELLER GORDON KENNETH 14OC1926 ASHFORD 16 50 (Birth year wrong)

Marriages Mar 1951 (>99%)
WELLER Patricia M L WILLIAMS Battle 5h 51
WILLIAMS Charles J H WELLER Battle 5h 51

First name(s) PATRICIA MAUD L
Last name WILLIAMS
Gender Female
Birth day 23
Birth month 10
Birth year 1931
Death quarter 2
Death year 1993
District Surrey South Eastern

Gary

Gary Report 1 May 2020 11:19

Hi ErikaH,
Many thanks for the continued info.

Gary