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Thanks ever so much - got a lot of this information but as you say without certificates..........

Marriages Dec 1941 (>99%)
Gair Bryan Redford Reading 2c 1305
Redford Sybil M E Gair Reading 2c 1305

1939
2 Rectory Road, Farnborough U.D., Hampshire, England
Ethel M Perkins (Barlow) 23 Sep 1896 Female Civil Service Clerk (Prevously) Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 244 1
Sybil M E Gair (Redford) 03 Jan 1918 Female Probationer Nurse Single 244 2
Ref: RG101/2338H/021/16 Letter Code: EDKJ

Births of two children can be found on freebmd

Name: Sybil Gair
Arrival Age: 39
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1918
Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date: 24 May 1957
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Durban; East London; Port Elizabeth; Cape Town and Las Palmas
Ship Name: Stirling Castle
Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 8207/01

Plus Bryan and both children

Going to 26 St James Park Road, Margate

No help with identifying parents - you'll need birth cert for that info

HOWEVER.................... My bet would be on Rose and her husband, in view of Sybil's birth registration district

Deaths Dec 1914 (>99%)
Redford Phyllis M 3 Fulham 1a 417

Marriages Jun 1948 (>99%)
Atwood Philip A Redford Surrey N.E. 5g 1080
Redford Irene J Atwood Surrey N. E. 5g 1080

If you want to compile an accurate tree, you may need to purchase certs

Thanks all for your help!

One tree with Alfred George in it but it gets no further than his marriage to Phoebe.

A tree on Ancestry has Sidney and Rose with 2 children - Stanley Robert and the other is Private.
In 1915 he was at 62 Himley Road, Wandsworth

Army records show he Attested in 1906 and was discharged unfit for further service in 1915. Originally with the Royal Sussex Mounted Infantry he served at Home until 1914 when he was sent to France and wounded. Awarded British and Victory Medals and the 1914 Star Medal.
Married Rose and had the one child, Stanley Robert b 25.7.1913 in Wandsworth. Unfortunately the records are part of the burnt documents and there is nothing to be seen below Stanley

So Victor and Stanley both definitely belong to Rose and Sidney! And it looks like only Victor and Stanley - so do all or any of the others belong to Phoebe?

So Victor and Stanley both definitely belong to Rose and Sidney! And it looks like only Victor and Stanley - so do all or any of the others belong to Phoebe?

Do you have this - was hoping to find a Passenger list with children on too.

Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960

First name(s) S R
Last name Redford
Title MR
Gender Male
Birth year 1887
Birth day 20
Birth month 2
Marital status M
Occupation RETIRED
Departure year 1957
Departure day 23
Departure month 10
Departure port London
Destination port Cape
Destination CAPE
Country South Africa
Destination country South Africa
Ship name Durban Castle
Ship master's first name ?
Ship master's last name DYLES
Ship destination port EAST AFRICA
Ship destination country AFRICA
Number of passengers 0
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960

With Rose S

Sidney R b 20.2.1887 and Rose S b 26.2.1888
UK address 26 St James Park Road, Margate
Travelling to Rhodesia where they were Resident

Name: Sidney Robert Redford
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1887
Marriage Date: 12 Sep 1912
Marriage Place: St Matthias, Earls Court, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Arthur Redford
Spouse: Rose Sarah Broughton
Register Type: Parish Register
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Sidney was a Conductor

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Name: Alfred George Redford
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1883
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1910
Marriage Place: St Matthias, Earls Court, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Arthur Redford
Spouse: Phoebe Matilda Broughton
Register Type: Parish Register
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Alfred was based at Aldershot when they married

1939 Register for Rose and Sidney

Rose Redford's life in 1939
55 Westbrook Avenue, Margate M.B., Kent, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Sidney Redford 12 Feb 1887 Male Boot Repairer Married 137 1
Rose Redford 25 Feb 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 137 2
Stanley R Redford 25 Jul 1913 Male Photography (D & P) Single 137 3
Victor J Redford 07 Dec 1922 Male Solicitors Clerk Single 137 4
Ref: RG101/1753C/010/8 Letter Code: DIDS

Shows some children still with them

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Name: Rose Redford
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1888
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 55
Residence Place: Margate, Kent, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 137
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: DIDS
Registration district: 63-2
Inferred Spouse: Sidney Redford
Inferred Children: Stanley R Redford
Victor J Redford
Household Members:
Name
Sidney Redford
Rose Redford
Stanley R Redford25.7.1913
Victor J Redford born 7 .12 .1922

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Deaths Jun 1971 (>99%)
REDFORD Phoebe Matilda 6Jy1886 Brent 5a 516

No probate showing for either 1971-1975. A will may have given details of children

Deaths Jun 1971 (>99%)
REDFORD Alfred George 15Au1883 Wandsworth 5e 1210

Victor J and Stanley R were Sidney and Rose’s children, as per 1939, which I can’t C&P on iPad

Well at least one daughter born in Farnham reg district

Births Mar 1912
Redford Phyllis M Broughton Farnham 2a 232

Births Sep 1913
Redford Stanley R Broughton Wandsworth 1d 1441

Births Mar 1918
Redford Sybil M E Broughton Kingston 2a 567

Births Jun 1921
Redford Marjorie R Broughton Woolwich 1d 2261

Births Mar 1923
Redford Victor J Broughton Kingston 2a 692

Births Mar 1925
Redford Irene J Broughton Kensington 1a 161


The woolwich one is also a possibility as there are army barracks at woolwich too

The birth in early 1912 in Farnham district will be to Alfred and Phoebe

No children by 1911 but they have a niece living with them

Alfred Redford
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Ash and Normandy
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County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 2 School Cottage, Church Path Ash Vale, Surrey
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Occupation: Baker 2Nd Corp Army Service Comp
Registration district: Farnham
Registration District Number: 34
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 3100
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Redford 27
Phoebe Redford 24
Grace Hayes 5