Genealogy Chat

are these the records from LDS?

MARY CLEMENTINA KERNICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Adult Christening: 24 AUG 1837 Saint Peter, Walworth, Surrey, England

2. ANN TRYPHENA KERNICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Adult Christening: 05 JUL 1837 Saint Peter, Walworth, Surrey, England

3. CHARLOTTE ELIZA KERNICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Adult Christening: 07 JUL 1837 Saint Peter, Walworth, Surrey, England


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MARY CLEMENTINA KERNICK Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 03 MAY 1817

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: JOHN KERNICK Family
Mother: ANN

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Other Event(s):
Adult Christening: 24 AUG 1837 Saint Peter, Walworth, Surrey, England

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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ANN TRYPHENA KERNICK Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 18 APR 1810

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: JOHN KERNICK Family
Mother: ANN

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Other Event(s):
Adult Christening: 05 JUL 1837 Saint Peter, Walworth, Surrey, England

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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CHARLOTTE ELIZA KERNICK Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 29 APR 1821

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: JOHN KERNICK Family
Mother: ANN

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Other Event(s):
Adult Christening: 07 JUL 1837 Saint Peter, Walworth, Surrey, England

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.



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They are all EXTRACTED records from the parish register


so as much to be trusted as any other records, allowing for transcription errors!




sylvia

Yup, as Kate says, Abraham eliminated:

Name: Abraham Bennsworth
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Christchurch, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Lambeth St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 22

Household schedule number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham Bennsworth 34
Eliza Bennsworth 24

(or perhaps not via 1851 which would have Eliza marrying at 14?)

Thanks everyone, I will let you know the results.

I'll get both certs. marriage and death. I would like to know the cause of death anyway. Long , long history of heart disease in the family.

let us know what the result is!!


sylvia

why get the death certificate and not the marriage certificate??


particularly if it is her in the Lunatic Asylum in 1851


It may not be George who was the informant.


sylvia

Okay Sylvia, No wonder this all takes me so long!!

I know I was told one name was enough but I don't really know what I was thinking when trying for the rest of the info.

Sorry everyone, I do try to take on board your advice but I'm a little slow, perhaps I'm going the same way as Mary

Sorry I'm just getting back to you now, Linda. (Have been away overnight.) I managed to track Abraham down on the 1851 - misspelt as Benniworth, I think. I'm pretty sure he came up as being married to an Ann.

each certificate costs £7, and takes about a week to arrive



sylvia

and then do the same for Ivy Kernick




it's much easier than having us digging away for something you could find out so easily.



and of course, the certificates are the only real proof



sylvia

Oh Dear,
I'm certainly not telling hubby, I guess you'll all know what his reaction will be!!! lol

I will order the death cert. for confirmation though, thanks Jim

Linda


for ehaven's sake you don't need to do all that

Get the marriage reference from freebmd, with quarter, place and the two reference numbers


Then apply for the certificate in the ONE name of the sister


Don't mention the husbands name!

Reggie told you that earlier .... you can apply for a marriage certificate using only one name


In fact, it is easier unless you know exactly what name the otehr spouse was registered under.


if you make even one small spelling mistake in the spouse's name, they will not issue the certificate.


So go to www.gro.org.uk, apply for Mary Clementina Kernick certificate under her name alone!



sylvia

Marriages Sep 1840
BENNEWORTH Abraham Newington 4 329
CURNOW Henry Newington 4 329
Jackson Eliza Newington 4 329
KERNICK Ann Tryphena Newington 4 329
Macdonald Mary Newington 4 329
Organ Eliza Newington St Mary 4 329
PHAIR Joseph Newington 4 329
WHITE Henry Newington 4 329

You were given the husband early on.
death
Mary Clementina Warren abt 1820 1884 Jan-Feb-Mar Croydon Greater London, Kent, Surrey

Oh dear


I wonder if this is Mary Clementina in 1871??

about Mary C Warren
Name: Mary C Warren
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Pv;P
Gender: Female
Where born: S E, Walworth

Civil Parish: Camberwell St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: Camberwell
Town: Camberwell
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: Camberwell House Lunatic Asylum


The image says she is Married, and listed as Lunatic


sylvia

Name: Joseph Phair
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Hundred: Southwark
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road

Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Phair 30
Joseph Phair 25

I haven't ordered the certs. yet as between the two sisters there are eight prospective husbands and I was hoping to whittle them down a little first. I will now order Mary Clementina's to George Walton Warren and hopefully Ann Tryphena to ???

LOL Sylvia

Possible Thomas Cock and Ann Webster

Name: Thomas Cock
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Uxbridge, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Wandsworth
Town: Wandsworth
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

Household schedule number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Cock 25
James Cock 3
Thomas Cock 28
Thomas Cock 4
William Cock 1

Marriage certificates give you witnesses and father's names (often)....

I'm being very cheeky now and going to ask if anyone can eliminate the men that could be married to the other sister:
Ann Tryphena Kernick DOB 18.04.1810 married Henry Curnow, Joseph Phair or Henry White 3rd qtr. 1840.
Thanks

sorry


an Extracted record on LDS has been taken (extracted) from the actual record.


A submitted record has been submitted by a member of the Mormon Church ...... and can be very very wrong!

I believe the Mormons have to list at least 4 generations of their family in their ancestral record.


If they don't know, they make assumptions, or even make up the information.


So ... submitted records cannot be trusted.

It says at the bottom of the record which it is.



sylvia