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Hello again...Yet again i'm stuck and after a hand. There is obviously something i'm missing but i'm just so "word blind" i can't think of what to do next.

I'm missing Sarah Elizabeth Wilcox after 1884.
She was born about 1867 to Isaac and Mary Ann (maiden name Hackett) and had a brother John William. I have her on the 1871 and 1881 census and in 1884 registered her mothers death and was calling herself Elizabeth. The last address I have her at is the same as the 81 census 5 court kenyon street.

I have a marriage certificate for an Elizabeth Wilcox marrying Charles Foster in Aston in 1888 but her father is recorded as Henry although his proffession is Gun Maker which fits with Isaacs job although he had died by that point. The witnesses to the marriage are Thomas Foster and Emily...it looks like Picles?

Anybody got any ideas? xx

Could she still be unmarried by 1891? This one fits with the 1881 census

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1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Wilcox
Name: Elizabeth Wilcox
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: Kenion St 5 CT 5
Occupation: Warehouse Girl


1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Wilcox
Name: Elizabeth Wilcox
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 24 Movillle Street
Occupation: Warehouse woman
Condition as to marriage: Single

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Timbrell 54
Hannah Timbrell 57
Robert Timbrell 16
William Timbrell 14
Frank Timbrell 10
Samuel Bishop 24
Elizabeth Wilcox 24

Yes that one could fit. :) xx

AHHH! Nope. :(
That is actually Sarah Annie Elizabeth Wilcox who keeps popping up to confuse me. She married Samual Bishop and shes not mine...she has a seperate birth entry. Sorry guys. Thankyou anyway. xx

I wonder if she gained an extra middle name:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Sarah Ann E Wilcox
Name: Sarah Ann E Wilcox to Samuel Bishop
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 167


1901 England Census
about Sarah E Bishop
Name: Sarah E Bishop
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Saml
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members:
Name Age
Saml Bishop 34
Sarah E Bishop 34

You will only know if you spend the money on getting the marriage certificate, I'm afraid

Ooops, rats and bugger! :-(

I thought that too Barbara but she isnt connected... Sarah Anns parents were William and Sarah...and she too had a brother named John William. These Wilcoxs are sent to test me. I do appreciate it but I have looked into her as best as I can and discounted her, even on her marriage certificate it states her father is William. Thanks though. xx

Sarah Ann Elizabeth was actually born in 1873 6d/165. Where as My Sarah Elizabeth was born in 1867 6d/205 if that helps any? xx

Cheers Barbara. They are a very confusing bunch. All I can think is that she moved right out of the area and married but I have sent messages to everyone on here with a Sarah OR Elizabeth born within a 5 year difference of mine down as born anywhere in the country just in case they put her place of birth down as where she married because they couldn't find her birth and so far I still have no leads. :( xx

Maybe if we approach this differently...can anybody find an Elizabeth Wilcox born approx 1867 whos father is Henry who may have been the woman who married Charles Foster? The only ones I can find are in Wales but in 1891 is with her parents and one in Hanley in Staffordshire who is the 20 years younger wife of a Henry...Could Henry also be Isaac? The proffession fits? xx

please anyone? xx

Bumping it up t't top. :D xx

I do love your posting Lewella - says it all!!!!

1891 England Census
about Charles Foster
Name: Charles Foster
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Foster 26
Elizabeth Foster 24
Esther Foster 6/12

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Foster
Name: Elizabeth Foster
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Foster 26
Elizabeth Foster 24
Esther Foster 6/12

This looks like her

1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Wilcox
Name: Elizabeth Wilcox
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: Kenion St 5 CT 5
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Warehouse Girl

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Astley 34
Mary A. Palmer 65
Elizabeth Wilcox 14
John Wilcox 15
Mary A. Wilcox 41

Father from the 1871 Isaac-I wonder is Henry was Isaac's middle name?Or that Isaac was his middle name?

What was the age and occupation of Charles on the cert?

Gemma

Sorry i have just seen your thread and so you may already have what i just sent through.

I was wondering what was the age and occupation of Charles on the cert?

Michelle

On the mar cert for Elizabeth and Charles in 1888 Charles is 23 and an electroplate worker.

I can't find any record of Isaac having a middle name at all and the Henry on the certificate isn't marked as deseaced although Isaac was by that point. xx

Gemma

Well that is def them on the 1891 as the occupation of Charles matches the marriage cert.

He is listed as an Electro Plate Finisher and age fits.

So we are back to Elizabeth who is listed with same details as the 1881 Elizabeth....??

I had got it Michelle but it is all appreciated as at some point I know we will hit on something I will have overlooked. :) xx

Thats what I'm thinking...Its very strange. John Williams marriage I havn't got the certificate for as I didn't need it as I had the birth and the census returns so maybe it might be worth seeing what he called his dad on his in 1885 as Isaac died as Isaac in 1879.

Gemma

They didn't always list if the father had died.It sometimes depended if the question was asked or if the couple gave the info.