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I think that is the only logical step left is to order John Williams marriage cert and see what it holds...after all another certificate cant hurt either way.

Under normal circumstances I might have thought that she didn't know enough about her father to record it properly but she registered her mothers death and clearly put "widow of Isaac Wilcox" so its not that either. :( xx

Middle names aren't always mentioned.Look at my example i had in my own tree.His birth record had no mention of Daniel.

It must be so frustrating for you cos everything fits to the Elizabeth with father Isaac even down to his occupation-which wasn't hugely common.

Michelle

Gemma

Looking through the 1881 couldn't see any Henry Wilcox who were anything to do with guns?If it helps i had a ancestor whose marriage cert came and her father was recorded on the cert as David.On all census records he was listed as Daniel-except 1!I think it would be an idea like you said to get 1 of the sibling marriage certs and see what father's name is listed as.

Michelle

And Mary Ann didnt marry again after Isaac died so it can't confusion there.

ISAAC WILCOX Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 27 SEP 1839

Christening: 04 NOV 1839 Saint George, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Death:
Burial:


Parents:
Father: WILLIAM WILCOX Family
Mother: SARAH

Thats Isaacs Birth...no mention of a Henry anywhere there either, its not got a certificate as far as I can see.

Gemma

They didn't always list if the father had died.It sometimes depended if the question was asked or if the couple gave the info.

Thats what I'm thinking...Its very strange. John Williams marriage I havn't got the certificate for as I didn't need it as I had the birth and the census returns so maybe it might be worth seeing what he called his dad on his in 1885 as Isaac died as Isaac in 1879.

I had got it Michelle but it is all appreciated as at some point I know we will hit on something I will have overlooked. :) xx

Gemma

Well that is def them on the 1891 as the occupation of Charles matches the marriage cert.

He is listed as an Electro Plate Finisher and age fits.

So we are back to Elizabeth who is listed with same details as the 1881 Elizabeth....??

On the mar cert for Elizabeth and Charles in 1888 Charles is 23 and an electroplate worker.

I can't find any record of Isaac having a middle name at all and the Henry on the certificate isn't marked as deseaced although Isaac was by that point. xx

Gemma

Sorry i have just seen your thread and so you may already have what i just sent through.

I was wondering what was the age and occupation of Charles on the cert?

Michelle

1891 England Census
about Charles Foster
Name: Charles Foster
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Foster 26
Elizabeth Foster 24
Esther Foster 6/12

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Foster
Name: Elizabeth Foster
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Foster 26
Elizabeth Foster 24
Esther Foster 6/12

This looks like her

1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Wilcox
Name: Elizabeth Wilcox
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: Kenion St 5 CT 5
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Warehouse Girl

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Astley 34
Mary A. Palmer 65
Elizabeth Wilcox 14
John Wilcox 15
Mary A. Wilcox 41

Father from the 1871 Isaac-I wonder is Henry was Isaac's middle name?Or that Isaac was his middle name?

What was the age and occupation of Charles on the cert?

I do love your posting Lewella - says it all!!!!

Bumping it up t't top. :D xx

please anyone? xx

Maybe if we approach this differently...can anybody find an Elizabeth Wilcox born approx 1867 whos father is Henry who may have been the woman who married Charles Foster? The only ones I can find are in Wales but in 1891 is with her parents and one in Hanley in Staffordshire who is the 20 years younger wife of a Henry...Could Henry also be Isaac? The proffession fits? xx

Cheers Barbara. They are a very confusing bunch. All I can think is that she moved right out of the area and married but I have sent messages to everyone on here with a Sarah OR Elizabeth born within a 5 year difference of mine down as born anywhere in the country just in case they put her place of birth down as where she married because they couldn't find her birth and so far I still have no leads. :( xx

Sarah Ann Elizabeth was actually born in 1873 6d/165. Where as My Sarah Elizabeth was born in 1867 6d/205 if that helps any? xx

I thought that too Barbara but she isnt connected... Sarah Anns parents were William and Sarah...and she too had a brother named John William. These Wilcoxs are sent to test me. I do appreciate it but I have looked into her as best as I can and discounted her, even on her marriage certificate it states her father is William. Thanks though. xx

Ooops, rats and bugger! :-(