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Can anyone help find out about Bert Townsend who married Violet Hawkins in around 1912 . They had 3 daughters Vera 1915 violet 1920 and olive 1922.


pam

For ref

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
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HAWKINS Violet S Townsend Willesden 3a 574
Townsend Bert Hawkins Willesden 3a 574

Andy

Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
HAWKINS Violet S Townsend Willesden 3a 574
MOLYNEUX Mary Phillips Willesden 3a 574
PHILLIPS Joseph A H Molyneux Willesden 3a 574
Townsend Bert Hawkins Willesden 3a 574

thats middlesex

Possible for Violet's birth

Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
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Hawkins Violet Saunders Hendon 3a 172

His age should be on the marriage certificate along with his father's name and occupation.

This would help to trace his birth and cencus entries.

Can anyone find out his fathers name or his mothers

Is Bert his proper name or is is Albert, Herbert, Hubert etc?

It might be a good idea to get the marriage certificate to see who his father was and work back from there.

Good luck,

Selena

Bert can be short for a number of names beside being a name in is own right. The marriage cert would at least have his age and probably fathers details.

Andy

Did Violet remarry??

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Violet S Townsend
Name: Violet S Townsend
Spouse Surname: Flinton
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1924
Registration district: Willesden
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 575

Possible for her death

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Violet Saunders Flinton
Name: Violet Saunders Flinton
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1894
Death Registration Month/Year: 1975
Registration district: Brent
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 11
Page: 0789



Andy

Yes she married my grandfather.Alec Flinton . It is her frist husband i am trying to find .I think he died in 1922

Two possible deaths

Deaths Mar 1922 (>99%)
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Townsend Bert 28 Nuneaton 6d 866

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Deaths Sep 1923 (>99%)
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TOWNSEND Bertie 32 Hendon 3a 258

If it's Bertie is this him in 1911

TOWNSEND, Frederick Head Married M 60 1851 General Labourer Huntingdon Gt Gransden VIEW
TOWNSEND, Jane Wife Married
34 years F 54 1857 Bedfordshire Arlesey VIEW
TOWNSEND, Bertie Son Single M 20 1891 General Labourer Middlesex Willesden VIEW
TOWNSEND, Edith Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Middlesex Willesden VIEW

Address:
146 Villiers Road Willesden Green County:
Middlesex

The Hendon one seems more like him

If Violet's remarriage is correct then this could be Bert's death
Deaths Sep 1923
TOWNSEND Bertie 32 Hendon 3a 258
and his birth
Births Mar 1891
TOWNSEND Bertie Hendon 3a 202

This is the same Bert in 1911, his parents had 9 children - 5 were still living
TOWNSEND, Frederick Head Married M 60 1851 General Labourer Huntingdon Gt Gransden VIEW
TOWNSEND, Jane Wife Married
34 years F 54 1857 Bedfordshire Arlesey VIEW
TOWNSEND, Bertie Son Single M 20 1891 General Labourer Middlesex Willesden VIEW
TOWNSEND, Edith Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Middlesex Willesden VIEW

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7060 Reference:
RG14PN7060 RG78PN346B RD129 SD1 ED80 SN328

Registration District:
Willesden Sub District:
Willesden Enumeration District:
80 Parish:
Willesden

Address:
146 Villiers Road Willesden Green County:
Middlesex

This might be the birth to go with the Hendon death.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
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TOWNSEND Bertie Hendon 3a 202


Andy

All speculation without the marriage cert, but here is a posible baptism

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Bertie Townsend
Name: Bertie Townsend
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1891
Father's name: Frederick Townsend
Mother's name: Jane Townsend
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenhill St John the Baptist
Borough: Harrow


and possible 1891 census

1891 England Census
about Berdie Townsend
Name: Berdie Townsend
Age: 2/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's name: Fred Townsend
Mother's name: Jane Townsend
Where born: Willesden, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Fred Townsend 40
Jane Townsend 32
Lucy Townsend 9
Joseph Townsend 6
Arthur Townsend 3
George Townsend 2
>>>>>Berdie Townsend 2/12
Mary Shevington 22
William Stapleton 24
Fred Gayley 25




Andy

Same family in 1901
TOWNSEND, Fredk Head Married M 50 1851 Laborer General
Huntingdon
TOWNSEND, Jane Wife Married F 43 1858
Bedfordshire
TOWNSEND, Lucy Daughter Single F 19 1882 Day Work Charing
Willesden
Middlesex
TOWNSEND, Joseph Son Single M 16 1885
Willesden
Middlesex
TOWNSEND, Arthur Son M 13 1888
Willesden
Middlesex
TOWNSEND, Bertie Son M 10 1891
Willesden
Middlesex
TOWNSEND, Edith Daughter F 2 1899
Willesden
Middlesex

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1226 Folio:
16 Page:
24

Registration District:
Hendon Sub District:
Willesden Enumeration District:
68 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Andrews

Civil Parish:
Willesden Municipal Borough:
Address:
50, Villiers Road, Willesden County:
Middlesex

All the above seem to be right as all my family were all born around that area and lived around that area as well

This is the only Bert Townsend in 1901

Name: Bert Townsend
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Townsend
Mother's name: Jane Townsend
Gender: Male
Where born: Battersea, London, England
Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 150
Household Members:
Name Age
John Townsend 47
Jane Townsend 45
John Townsend 22
Bert Townsend 20
Florence J Townsend 18
Albert Townsend 16
George Townsend 10
Emily Townsend 8
 
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 446; Folio: 15; Page: 21.

Edith Townsend rings a bell. Ican remember an auntie Edith who was always with my Aunt Vera