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can any one help me find my grandfaters birth certificate, he was born william tommany 1907 in ulverston, ive applyed there but nothing came up.This sounds mad, but we know some where for some reson he became william allinson by 1935 when he got married, crazy i know, but a long story behind it. from Carol

Do you have his marriage cert for his fathers name?
If so you may be able to find him on 1911 census.

And do you have his date of birth?
If not when did he die as his death ref may have his birth date on it.

I can't find a birth in either name. You can't be sure of where or when he was born if you don't have his birth certificate.

Kath. x

I also cant find a birth under either name in Ulverston .

thanks every one, I do have his death cert, july 1968 and his marriage cert to elizabeth kinsella oct 1938 both with william allinson on it. problem started when i could not find williams birth cert, i went through his brother issac allinson and sister annie allinson's birth certs to find ther mothers name and it came back her maiden name was tommany. then i found info on ww1 with william henry allinson who was all 3 kids dad, married to catherine tommany, war recored said he had 3 kids issac, annie and william, william born feb 1907 in ulverston, but all 3 kids were named as tommany then later on in life allinson. I have tryed willain tommany and allinson just incase, looks like they were born tommany then cahnged to allinson hwen catherin married willaim henry.family tales
always said he was born in ulverston. im so confused why i can not find his birth cert any where, good job i saw him with my own eyes.bet i have confused every one now, lol

On the ww1 records it says he was born William Tommany 17th march 1907 in Ulverston.

William henry Allinson was born 1877

Just getting some details sorted out with the info now supplied.

At last ,on the 1911 ,mistranscribed,AGAIN.

ALLISON, William Henry Head Married M 34 1877 Carpenter House Lancs Cockerham VIEW
ALLISON, Catherine Wife Married
5 years F 31 1880 Lancs Kirkham VIEW
>>>>>ALLISON, William Son School M 5 1906 School Lancs Dalton
ALLISON, Annie Daughter F 2 1909 Cumberland Egrement

Dont get too excited ,his birth still hasnt been found yet.
And they would all have had the same surname if Catherine and William henry were living together as they wouldnt have wanted the neighbours to find out they werent legally married...
And census only go on the age that the person was at the time it was taken,in the case of 1911 thats the 2nd april.
If he was born 17 march as it says on his fathers war papers his birthday had just been,Im rubbish at maths so will need to work that one out.LOL

One to consider going on 1911.
The only one I can see anywhere near for his reg quarter or possible surname/s,totally no Tommany,s in sight anywhere.
And nothing possible in 1907.

Mistranscription again possibly or misheard by the registrar?.

Births Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Allanson William W. Derby 8b 692

William henry in 1881 - as AliNson this time

Isaac ALLINSON Head M Male 29 Calder Bridge, Cumberland, England Carpenter
Ann ALLINSON Wife M Female 20 Ravensglass, Cumberland, England Carpenters Wife
William H. ALLINSON Son Male 3 Cockerham, Lancashire, England
Thomas BECKETT Boarder U Male 41 Silverdale, Lancashire, England Post Messenger

Source Information:
Dwelling 19 Lancaster Rd
Census Place Carnforth, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342021
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4269 / 39
Page Number 56

Left it a while to marry then?
Wonder why...

Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
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Allinson William H Tommany Whitehaven 10b 1694
Tommany Catherine Allinson Whitehaven 10b 1694

wonder if this has anything to do with it - right area going by Catherine's place of birth

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1895
TOMMONY Catherine
PHILLIPS John Thomas
Kirkham, St.Michaels

I missed that when I was searching for a previous marriage that was still in force for the pair then!

?????

Deaths Jun 1903 (>99%)
Phillips John Thomas 28 Ulverston 8e 522

Possible I guess,but a long time before they married in 1919?