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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Apr 2020 12:07

Here's a family which more or less fits the known info:

Ellien Rielly
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Ellien Rielly
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Age: 12
Birth Date: abt 1889
Birth Place: City Cork
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
House Number: 24
Residence Place: Ballymacthomas, Cork Urban No. 4, Cork, Ireland
Relation to Head: Daughter
Occupation: Scholar
Religion: Catholic
Literacy: Read write
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Rielly 50 - quay labourer
Mary Rielly 50
Michael Rielly 17
John Rielly 14
Ellien Rielly 12
James Rielly 6

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Apr 2020 11:45

Looking at Andrew & Nellie's marriage cert for full info about Nellie, in case of further clues

6th Oct 1913, at St Joseph's RC Chapel, Helensburgh.

Andrew Donachie, irondriller, bachelor, 19.
Address: 30 Second Avenue, Radnor Park, Clydebank.
Parents: James Donachie, coachman. Elizabeth Donachie, ms McDonald, deceased.

Nellie Rielly, domestic servant (general), spinster, 22.
Address: 9 Somerville Street, Clydebank.
Parents: Patrick Rielly, dock labourer, deceased. Mary Rielly, ms Murphy, deceased.
Witnesses: John A Coyle, Jean Connolly.


So apparently born 1891, although her death cert implies 1886.
Unless she lied - maybe trying to sound younger, as Andrew was only 19.


There was a Nellie Reilly, 20, living in Bridgeton, Lanarkshire in 1911.
BUT that's not her.
That Nellie was with her parents James (47) and Jane (48) , and several siblings.





ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Apr 2020 09:56

There are a few possibles on the Irish 1901 census - assuming she was indeed born in Cork:

For example:

Ellen Rielly
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Ellen Rielly
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Age: 17
Birth Date: abt 1884
Birth Place: County Cork
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
House Number: 7
Residence Place: Carrigaphooca, Kilnamartry, Cork, Ireland
Relation to Head: Servant
Occupation: Childs Maid
Religion: Roman Catholic
Literacy: Read and write
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Edward Appelbe 33
Lillie Appelbe 22
Eileen Maud Appelbe 1
James Long 19
Ellen Healy 17
Ellen Rielly 17


or this:

Ellen Rielly
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Ellen Rielly
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Age: 15
Birth Date: abt 1886
Birth Place: Co Cork
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
House Number: 36
Residence Place: Main Street, Mallow South Urban, Cork, Ireland
Relation to Head: Servant
Occupation: Nurse Domestic
Religion: R C
Literacy: Read and write
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Mc Sweeney 34
Bridget Mc Sweeney 30
William McSweeney
Teresa Coghlen 15
Thomas Lyons 19
Kate Hegarty 28
Ellen Rielly 15

or this:

Ellen Rielly
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Ellen Rielly
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Age: 15
Birth Date: abt 1886
Birth Place: Co Cork
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
House Number: 6.1
Residence Place: Bridge Street, Ballydaheen, Mallow South Urban, Cork, Ireland
Relation to Head: Step Son [ Yes, it does say stepson on the image, although also female]
Occupation: Scholar
Religion: Roman Catholic
Literacy: Read and write
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Fitzgrald 41
Ellen Fitzgrald 35
Michael Fitzgrald 4
Ellen Rielly 15
Margaret Rielly 13
(and a lot of boarders)

[EDIT: NO, not that one above, of course, as her mother's name's Ellen, not Mary.]


or this:

Nellie Reilly
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Nellie Reilly
Gender: Female
Age: 17
Birth Date: abt 1884
Birth Place: Co Cork
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Residence Place: Barrack Street, Mallow South Urban, Cork, Ireland
Relation to Head: SisterInLaw
Religion: R Catholic
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Garvin 38
Kate Garvin 29
Nellie Garvin 4
Hanorah Reilly 18 - sister-in-law
Nellie Reilly 17 - sister-in-law


There are only three births that I can see , but none of them is your Helen/Nellie:

This one's parents were John and Catherine -

Ellen Rielly
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
Name: Ellen Rielly
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1885
Registration district: Mallow
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 5
Page: 443
FHL Film Number: 101060



SR District/Reg Area - Mallow
Birth of ELLEN REILLY in 1886
Name ELLEN REILLY [ parents John & Ellen ]
Date of Birth 1886
Group Registration ID 11160332
SR District/Reg Area Mallow


SR District/Reg Area - Cork
Birth of ELLEN REILLY in 1887 [parents George & Kate ]
Name ELLEN REILLY
Date of Birth 1887
Group Registration ID 11785655
SR District/Reg Area Cork

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Apr 2020 09:10

If she WAS born in Ireland, she may simply not be on any Scottish censuses

Try the 1901 and 1911 IRISH censuses - FREE

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

ALSO......................

Look for birth at

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Apr 2020 18:43

If she was indeed born in Ireland, she isn't any of the Helens in the censuses you have posted, as they were all born in Scotland - assuming the census info is correct.


The marriage, for our reference - she married as Nellie, not Helen:

DONACHIE
ANDREW
REILLY [ also registered as Rielly ]
NELLIE
1913
503/ 33
Row or Rhu


She may not be on any Scottish census - she may only have come from Ireland after 1911.

There is this Helen Reilly in Scotland in 1911 - but you'd have to spend credits on ScotlandsPeople to see any more about her.
There's a Henry Reilly, 22, living with this Helen - they may be a couple who married in 1911, in which case not your Helen.

REILLY
HELEN
1911
F
24
622/2 7/ 7
Shettleston
Lanark

There's also one aged 26 in Dundee, but she's married with a child.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2020 18:40

It would be worth finding the paperwork to see whether it is actual proof, or just someone’s idea.

Her father’s occupation should be on her marriage cert - what was it?

None of the census records you have copied shows a birthplace in Ireland

Samantha

Samantha Report 25 Apr 2020 17:57

This is the names on her marriage cert and death cert.
At the time when I was starting my research there was two other family members doing the same and had the information that helen was born in Ireland, they are no longer researching.
I do have some paperwork somewhere in a wooden box saying she was born Cork Ireland.

Regards
Samantha

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2020 17:31

Did she give the same info about them on her marriage cert?

You haven’t said why you think she was born in Ireland

Samantha

Samantha Report 25 Apr 2020 17:00


Helen's parents are listed as Patrick Reilly and Mary Murphy.


Regards
Samantha

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2020 16:50

DONACHIE
HELEN
83
1969
510/1 180
Dunoon

What does the death cert say about her parents?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2020 16:49

How do you know she was born in Ireland?

What evidence is there, please?

Samantha

Samantha Report 25 Apr 2020 16:45

Helen Reilly is my Great Grandmother.
Born 29/08/1886 in Ireland
She married my Great Grandfather Andrew Donachie in Scotland 06/10/1913
And sadly passed away 03/11/1969 in Dunoon Scotland.

Regards
Samantha

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2020 16:33

You MUST - please - tell us how you got back to her.

What relation is she to you?

No-one can really help unless you tell us that





Samantha

Samantha Report 25 Apr 2020 15:05

Good afternoon all

What I was trying to find was which one of the Helen Reilly's was more likely to be mine and if anyone had any advise for me so I could investigate further.

many thanks
Samantha

Samantha

Samantha Report 25 Apr 2020 15:04

1891
Name: Helen Reilly
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relationship: Patient
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 622/1
Registration district: Maryhill
Civil Parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Eastpark, Gairbraid Street, Maryhill near Glasgow
ED: East Park Home for Infirm Children
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1891_221

OR

1901 Living at 136 Reid Street, Glasgow

Annie Reilly abt 1871 Coatbridge, Lanarkshire Daughter In Law Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire

Catherine Reilly abt 1830 Ireland Sons Wife Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire

Helen Reilly abt 1888 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Grand Daur (Granddaughter) Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire

Kate Reilly abt 1889 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Grand Daur (Granddaughter) Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire

Patrick Reilly (Engine keeper) abt 1861 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Son Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire

Thomas Reilly abt 1812 Ireland Head Glasgow Bridgeton Lanarkshire


1891 Living at 136 Reid Street, Glasgow

Helen Reilly abt 1888 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Grand - Daur (Granddaughter) Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire

Joseph Reilly (Calico print worker) abt 1872 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Son Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire

Patrick Reilly (Chemical labourer) abt 1861 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Son Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire

Thomas Reilly (Chemical labourer) abt 1827 Ireland Head Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire

Catherine Reilly abt 1828 Ireland Wife Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire

Samantha

Samantha Report 25 Apr 2020 15:03

1891
Name: Helen Reilly
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relationship: Patient
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 622/1
Registration district: Maryhill
Civil Parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Eastpark, Gairbraid Street, Maryhill near Glasgow
ED: East Park Home for Infirm Children
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1891_221

Samantha

Samantha Report 25 Apr 2020 15:02

This seems likely to be Helen in 1901.........you said she married in an RC Church, so this fits

Name: Helen Rielly
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relationship: Scholar
Gender: Female
Where born: Dumbarton, Dumbartonshire
Registration Number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Chalmers
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 570 Gallowgate, Glasgow
Occupation: Inmate And Scholar
ED: Catholic Orphanage for Girls
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 1

Samantha

Samantha Report 25 Apr 2020 15:00

I have deleted the thread, it was done about an hour ago.

Regards
Samantha

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2020 14:38

You haven't deleted the thread you posted earlier today. Please do so, to save people wasting time looking for info on that one. Thank you

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2020 14:36

People will not want to trawl through all the pages on here

Please say how you got back to Helen Reilly - presumably, she is your direct line?