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I am looking for information and or family for Thomas NEWTON born C1865 Bradford York to parents John Newton born Carlton Scroop Lincs and Annie Johnson born Plymouth Devon.

1871 census.


1871 England Census
about Thomas J Newton
Name: Thomas J Newton
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Welwyn
Town: Railway Station
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Hatfield
Sub-registration district: Welwyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
William A Gibson 18 Boarder occ Railway Clerk
Annie Newton 37
John Newton 34
Thomas J Newton 7 Occ Railway Signalman


Andy

Thanks Andy This is the only record of Thomas I had been able to find in UK. No birth cert for Thomas or marriage cert for John & Annie. Thomas migrated to Australia ? year where he was a member of Qld Defence Force & he married in 1888 & died in 1900 aged 36. Any further leads would be appreciated Carrol

Hi Carrol

Possible birth for Thomas

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1863 (>99%)
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NEWTON Thomas Bradford Yk 9b 20

Andy

Possible marriage, after Thomas was born

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
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HARTLEY Hannah Bradford Yk 9b 17
>>>>Johnson Ann Bradford,Yk 9b 17
Lofthouse Joseph Allanson Bradford Yk 9b 17
>>>>Newton John Bradford Yk 9b 17


Andy

Thanks Andy I am in Australia. I sent for a birth cert for a Thomas Newton born 2 May 1863 & registered in Bradford ( this would be the right qtr as you suggest but the parents are wrong Isaac & Elizabeth) I will follow up on the marriage cert to see what it brings. Regards Carrol

I wonder if the birth was recorded in mothers maiden name? This one would could just squeeze into age.


Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
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JOHNSON Thomas Bradford Yk 9b 63


Andy

Carol,
Did Thomas marry in England or in Australia?
I have found the following marriage on the 31 Jan 1888 (in QLD) to Gertrud Rosalie BRAUER.
They had the following children:-
John Thomas b. 24 Oct 1888
Elsie Ada b. 1 Mar 1891
Leslie Arthur b. 24 Oct 1893
Alma Gertrude b. 1 Mar 1896

Thomas' death 9 Dec 1900, QLD (f) John & (m) Annie Johnson

JulieD

Hi Julie
Yes that is the correct Thomas Newton I have these certificates. Leslie Arthur was my grandfather. I don't have a birth cert for Thomas nor a marriage cert for John & Annie. I have ordered the one for 1865 suggested by Andy & will explore the idea that Thomas may have been registered as Johnson???
Carrol

On The Australian Electoral Roll I found the following:-
QLD 1905 District of Brisbane; Sub-distridt of Brisbane North
NEWTON, Gertrude; 37 Menzies St,; Housekeeper

QLD 1913 District of Brisbane; Sub-distridt of Brisbane North
NEWTON, Gertrude Rosalind,; 37 Menzies St., Petrie Terrace,; Home Duties

QLD 1919, District of Brisbane; Sub-distridt of Ithaca,
NEWTON, Gertrude Rosalind; Clyde St., Ballymore Estate., h/d
ALSO, NEWTON, Leslie Arthur, Clerk
& NEWTON, Elizabeth Mc Phail h/d

QLD 1925, District of Lilley; Sub-distridt of Kelvin Grove
NEWTON, Gertrude Rosalind; Clyde St., Ballymore Estate., h/d
ALSO, NEWTON, Leslie Arthur, Clerk
& NEWTON, Elizabeth Mc Phail h/d

1936, District of Maranoa; Sub-distridt of Nanango
NEWTON, Leslie Arthur, Manager,; Alford St. Kingaroy
& NEWTON, Elizabeth Mc Phail h/d

JulieD

Hi Andy

Received the marriage cert for John Newton & Ann Johnson I ordered & it looks like it is the correct one. Thank you I will pursue the notion that Thomas was born a Johnson since Ann was listed as a widow on the cert
Many thanks
Regards
Carrol

So Ann had a previous marriage! Does the marriage cert you have give her maiden name or the name and occupation of her father?

Andy

Hi Andy

The certificate gives her father as Theodore MYERS whose occupation is gentleman. The myers is a bit hard to read the M. I will order the birh cert for Thomas Johnson & see if this helps. I am still looking in all my usual search places to see what I can come up with.
Thanks again
Carrol

Hi Andy

The certificate for Thomas Johnson shows Mother as Ann a widow maiden name Myers & father Thomas Johnson . So this is the right person thanks. The 1861 census has Thomas born Keighley Yorkshire C1823 & Annie born Plymouth living in Bradford at the address where Thomas was born in 1864 & there are three other children. I can't locate a birth for them or in a census after this or find a death for Thomas senior - will keep looking Many thanks fore you help Carrol

This is the only possible death for Thomas in Bradford. Ann would have only just been pregnant when Thomas died.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 about Thomas Johnson
Name: Thomas Johnson
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bradford
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 51

Other children from 1861 census
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about Ada Johnson
Name: Ada Johnson.... NOT "Arla" as transcribed
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bradford
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 58

2 possibilities for Charles
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about Charles Johnson
Name: Charles Johnson
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bradford
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 55

OR
Name: Charles Johnson
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bradford
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 51

And 3 for Mary Ann
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about Mary Ann Johnson
Name: Mary Ann Johnson
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bradford
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 23
Page: 115

Name: Mary Ann Johnson
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bradford
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 8
Page: 115

Name: Mary Ann Johnson
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bradford
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 23
Page: 108

JulieD

I wonder....did most of the family die at the same time?? Accident? Disease?


Deaths Sep 1863 (>99%)
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>>>>JOHNSON Charles Bradford Yk 9b 49
JOHNSON John Bradford Yk 9b 135
>>>>JOHNSON Mary Ann Bradford Yk. 9b 48
>>>>JOHNSON Thomas Bradford Yk. 9b 51


Andy

Ann and thomas marriage


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1848 (>99%)
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BOOCOCK Samuel Bradford Y 23 250
HAINSWORTH Hannah Bradford Y 23 250
>>>>JOHNSON Thomas Bradford Yk 23 250
Mirfield Ann Bradford 23 250
>>>>Myers Ann Bradford 23 250
Naylor Susanna Bradford Y 23 250
SHARP Joshua Bradford Y 23 250
Walker Joseph Bradford Y 23 250

Andy

The death certificates show that Mary Ann Johnson died first 22/8/1863 from Scarlet fever & English Cholera Charles died 27/8/1863 from Scarlet fever & their father died 5//9/1863 from inflammation of Thorax&Exhaustion.
I have been unable to determine what happened to the other child Ada who was C 3 at this time. She does not appear with her mother in the 1871 census where Ann is remarried to John Newton & only has her son Thomas who was born 1864 with them.
Can anyone else shed further light on Ada please.
Many thanks to Andy & Julie for their help Carrol

Of the 3 Ada johnson's of 1861 census, yours is missing in 1871.
If you are checking the Stanley/Wakefield one is the same.

Did your Johnson's have family in the Sheffield area?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 about Ada E Johnson
Name: Ada E Johnson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 5
District: Sheffield
County: South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 229

JulieD