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Thanks Tony, will get the marriage image now. Thanks heaps Colleen.

Danielle x

nudge

Hi Danielle. With names like O'Connor and O'Callaghan.......its wise here in Australia to check these surnames without the O' .....and as just Callaghan......and Connor. The irish loved to drop the O' off there surnames for reasons ( religious taunts )
Not all.......... but a few did.

On early BDM's
O'day can be found as Day........O'Dea as Dea.....O'Connelly as Connelly.....etc, etc.

I think why you cant find John O'Callaghan c.1879 birth to James O'Callaghan and Kate/Catherine O'Connor......is because of a possible Typo Error entry, and it was registered as John O'Connor to James O'Connor and Kate/Catherine O'Connor.
You will notice this birth was in Hami ( Hamilton ) Vic.....so think this is him, and should read John O'Callaghan to James and Catherine O'Connor of Hamilton.

OCONNOR, John CB 1564426 Birth
Father: James
Mother: Oconnor Catherine
Event Place: Hami
Reg Year: 1879
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 23634

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The marriage of his parents James and Kate.....is most probably this one ( Below ) but this time seen as Callaghan no O'

CALLAGHAN, James CM 133759 Marriage
Spouse: O'CONNOR, Kate
Marriage Place: Cork
Reg Year: 1868
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 2852

Dont take much notice of the marriage place...Cork.
This is a typical error on the early A.V.R.I ( Australian Vital Records Index )......and should say Birth place: Cork ( Most likely Co. Cork Ireland )


Apart from the children you have found to James and Kate O'Callaghan........i would also be checking under Callaghan and Callahan.......

These births were registered in Hamilton Vic.

CALLAGHAN, Daniel CB 289390 Birth
Father: James
Mother: O'Connor Catherine
Event Place: Hamilton
Reg Year: 1874
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 9287

CALLAGHAN, Denis CB 289408 Birth
Father: James
Mother: Oconnor Catherin
Event Place: Hami
Reg Year: 1872
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 16635

CALLAGHAN, Ellen Catherine CB 289498 Birth
Father: James
Mother: Oconnor Catherine
Event Place: Hamilton
Reg Year: 1870
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 23475

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Its after midnight here...so will check again for you tomorow.


Can only check for Deaths up to 1915 in S.A and marriages up to 1937 in S.A
Nothing showing for a marriage of .Katherine Sybil O'Callaghan ...but again she may have married after 1937.?

Tony

THank you for the offer Tony, you have been so generous with your time already. I dont want to push my luck here but I wonder if you could check for the death or marriage for Katherine Sybil O'Callaghan and also the death of John O'Callaghan possibly in VIC or SA. John was 36 in 1915 when he married Louisa, and he gives his parents names as James O'Callaghan and Kate (Catherine) O'Connor. Although when i did a quick search on the VIC website I found no John born to this couple. Although there are several children born to a John O'Callaghan and Catherine O'Connor of Hamilton. I ordered this John's death certificate 1909 age 72 and he is shown as John Thompson O'Callaghan husband of Catherine O'Connor married in Hamilton VIC. Children William, James, Francis, Catherine, David, Edward and Joseph Timothy. In your records are you able to determine if Patricia's father John is the son of this John Thompson O'Callaghan and Catherine O'Connor. Sorry to be such a nuisance Tony, I am finding this difficult to let go of and dont want to stop while things appear to rolling along so nicely!

Glad today has been a little success in your quest.

Seems your friend John Michael O'Callaghan has found his grandparents. One from England and the other born in Hamilton. There is a Hamilton in Victoria.

I carry all if not most BDM's for all states in Australia from Pioneer 1800s index's through to mid 1900s. If you need further lookups let me know.

Cheers.Tony

Wonderful Tony, I am just downloading Alfred's death certificate and i have also just received the image of John O'Callaghan and Louisa Marchant's marriage cert. 6 nov 1915, John is 36, Louisa 20, John was born in Hamilton (???) and Louisa in Hastings England so all fits. John's parents are shown as James O'Callaghan and Kate O'Connor. The witness to the marriage are Joseph Timothy O'Callaghan and Catherine O'Callagahn.

I cant believe how much has been achieved today Tony your help has been invaluable.

Following up from your thread request for a 1901 census lookup.

Shipping incoming to Victoria

MARCHANT ALFD ...age:38 MAY 1913 Ship: IRISHMAN Port:B Reel: 873 007
MARCHANT LOUISA.... age:17 MAY 1913 Ship: IRISHMAN Port:B Reel: 873 007

Well that makes it all the more interesting Danielle.

NEUARPURR Victoria...and FRANCES South Australia....are appox 5km from each other.!!
Each town just over there respective boarder and divided by the State line.

To much of a coincidence perhaps.!!!

Looking more like Patricia is a sibling with the family on the move into South Australia from Victoria.?....but dont want to jump the gun just yet....lol

FRANCES is approx 1 to 2 km into South Australia from State border...and possibly Patricia was registered in Victoria births c.1922.?....and this is why she is not listed on South Australian Index. Quite a common error on many marriage certs, and childrens birth certs, show a place of birth by a
spouse or parent as a town they grew up in, rather than a town they were born in, as thats where they remember their childhood, so figure thats where they were born and its added to BDM certificate.

Marriage records for Victoria show :

Surname: OCALLAGHAN
Given Names: Jno
Event: M
Sex:
Spouse Surname/Father: MARCHANT
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Louisa Salter
Age:
Age Code:
Birth Place:
Death Place:
Year: 1915
Reg. Number: 10744



Tony.

Woohoo! Just checked FreeBMD in the off chance Louisa might be English and sure enough there she is Louisa Salter Marchant born 1896 Battle. I realize it isnt 100% that Louisa fits into the picture and I am getting a little ahead of myself but it all seems to be slowly coming together.

Terrific Tony thank you for your time and help with this. Yes and I suppose if I can find the death of Louisa Salter Marchant that may also tell me the children's names and hopefully I will find Patricia listed. She may have died in VIC or SA, as Patricia says she was born in Frances, is possible she was born on the families move to S.A from VIC.

Thanks

Danielle

Still finding more...:>)) I can stilll check for births in Victoria up to 1921..

Notice the birth place on this entry...and Fathers name. Could be one would think a sibling of John michael and perhaps Patricia ( if she was an O'Callaghan )

Birth registered Victoria:

Surname: OCALLAGHAN
Given Names: Katherine Sybil
Event: B
Sex:
Spouse Surname/Father: Jno
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Louisa Salter MARCHANT
Age:
Age Code:
Birth Place: NEUARPURR
Death Place:
Year: 1917
Reg. Number: 31119


At the very least this gives a Mother given name and maiden surname of MARCHANT.

Just need now to find a death of a Patricia ?.... with Fathers name of John O'Callaghan and mother as Louisa Salter O'Callaghan ( nee MARCHANT )

All is not lost.....Yet...and at the least it would dispell whether Patricia was a sibling or a wife/partner to John michael O'Callaghan

Tony

Just a bit more info.
Failing finding a Death for Patricia, or whom she may have married and /or if she did marry at all.?

If the John O'Callaghan listed on electoral roll ( 1941 ) was her father ?.....then his Death cert. should show all his children.... Alive and deceased at the time of his death..

Australian death certs. provide names of children of the person deceased. If a Patricia is listed as a child of the deceased, and a John Michael ...... it would at least tell you John and John michael were her family......and should show any marriages of John ( spouse )...giving a mothers name of Patricia and John michael


Just another avenue.

Tony...:>))

Once again you come through for me Tony! Cant thank you enough. I wish I could find the death certificate for Patricia. I had a search done of S.A death records and they came back with nothing, so she may have moved interstate or married, inwhich case I dont know her married name.

Well the progress made today (thanks largely to you) has given me that encouragement to keep going. The museum in Unley is getting back to me next week with the land/property rate details for the address Patricia gave as her residence in 1941 and where John Michael and John were living, will see what that comes up with.

Hi Dainelle.

Its Neuarpurr. A small country town in Victoria. ( about 150km west of Horsham..... towards S.A border )
Very close to the State border line of South Australia and Victoria.

Google" Neuarpurr+Victoria

Cheers. Tony

H Danielle. There are a number of possible's i guess.
I wish i could say i am correct, but our privacy laws differ from State to State and make it very difficult to confirm any possibility.

This John Michael O'Callaghan could be either her husband or brother.? If it was her husband, i cannot see why she would have given her child up for adoptian?....so i'm leaning more towards her sibling/brother and father. Of course, i cant be sure of either statements....because of our stupid laws here.

For instance the two larger populated states ( N.S. W and Victoria )

N.S.W allows marriages to be checked free on-line forename and surname up to 1956.......but Victoria only allows up to 1942 on a purchased cd. (but no free on-line )..........N.S.W only allows births to be checked free on-line up to 1906......but Victoria allows up to 1921 for births on cd Index.....but are not free viewing on-line.........S.A however, allow births on cd.up to 1928 but marriages only up to 1938....but nothing on line.....lol
So you can see our dilema when trying to do look-ups for people in various States around Australia ( Frustrating )

If you could find and obtain Patricia's Death cert. I'm sure it would answer a few questions.

I will keep my ears and eyes open for you.
Best of luck. Tony ( Melbourne )

I am having trouble finding anything on Neauphur which is where John Michael says he was born, can anyone help?

Danielle

WOW, thank you so much Tony! Looks like this one may be solved afterall. So it would see that John Michael O'Callaghan is either Patricia's husband or brother and that in turn John O'Callaghan is either her father in law or father. The reason I think O'Callaghan is her maiden name is that is how it is shown on the birth certificate of her child. Also I wonder if the reason she isnt shown on the electoral role is maybe she was in hospital (having the baby) or alternatively had a different residence and was only visiting whilst due to having the baby. So the next step would be to try and find out what relationship Patricia is to John Michael and John. By the looks of it the Patricia I am looking for is neither of the S.A Patricia's found, and maybe the VIC BMD records hold the key. Thanks again Tony, I am so grateful and so is my friend (Patricia's son - John Michael).

Danielle

From a different angle...what i cant seem to understand is that in 1941 there is a John O'Callaghan living with her, and 1951 a John Michael O'Callaghan ...but no Patricia. It almost sounds like this Patricia was not born an O'Callaghan.....but married one or took his name.?

You say.......living at**** Unley Road **** in 1941 with a John O'Callaghan (not sure of John's relationship to Patricia)........

There appears to be a John Michael O'Callaghan that was born in Victoria......that enlisted in the army in ******North Unley S.A******

Service Record
Name O'CALLAGHAN, JOHN MICHAEL
Service Australian Army
Service Number SX39721
Date of Birth 18 Jul 1923
Place of Birth NEAUPHUR, VIC
Date of Enlistment 10 Mar 1944
Locality on Enlistment NORTH UNLEY, SA
Place of Enlistment IN THE FIELD, QLD
Next of Kin O'CALLAGHAN, JOHN
Date of Discharge 17 Sep 1946
Rank Private
Posting at Discharge 8 AUSTRALIAN INFANTRY BATTALION
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

Poss Scenario:
This ( above ) of course, could be the "John Michael O'Callaghan" and the next of Kin "John O'Callaghan" ( their father ) that were listed 1941 with Patricia O'Callaghan and 1951....and perhaps her sibling and father at Unley Road... S.A....or even a cousin and Uncle.?
Perhaps Patricia named her son after a brother/sibling going off to war ( John Michael and O'Callaghan after her family name )

Again....cant check Victorian births for a Patricia OCallaghan in Victoria, as cd indexing for Victoria only list up to 1921.....................although you seem very confident that Patricia was born in S.A
***FACT: Patricia 'Bernadene" O'Callaghan born c1922 in South Australia****

Will keep looking for you.

Tony ( Melbourne )

Hi Danielle. These were Ronald BATES enlistment records.
Shows he nominates a Patricia as next of Kin....in 1941


WW11...Service Record
Name BATES, RONALD STANLEY
Service Australian Army
Service Number S47229
Date of Birth 5 Oct 1922
Place of Birth ADELAIDE, SA
Date of Enlistment 27 Dec 1941
Locality on Enlistment PLYMPTON, SA
Place of Enlistment GLENELG, SA
Next of Kin BATES, PATRICIA
Date of Discharge 14 Feb 1944
Rank Private
Posting at Discharge X LIST 3 AITB
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

Nominal roll On line service records can be viewed here.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/


There were two Patricia O'Callaghan births registered in S.A
One was the Patricia eileen O'Callaghan you mention(1923 )
with the parents Michael and Nellie O'Callaghan.......The clue could be in the second name of "John michael O'Callaghan 1941".......and named Michael after Patricia's father.?..... This is of course a stab in the dark......This Patricia eileen also had a sibling Michael Robert O'Callaghan born 1922 Adelaide


This was the other Patricia's birth registered:

Surname: OCALLAGHAN
Given Names: Patricia Noreen
Date: 1922-04-07
Sex: F
Father: Frederick James OCALLAGHAN
Mother: Mary Catherine SHEEHAN
Birth Place/Residence: St Peters
District Code: Nor ( Norwood )
Symbol:
Book: 93A
Page: 531
Cross Reference:

Unfortunatley.....the S.A marriage cd's that are available to the general public ..only list up to 1937.....so i cant check whom this Patricia ( 1922 ) married.

Perhaps someone living in S.A ...may have access to this information.


Best wishes.

Tony ( Melbourne Vic. )

Thank you very much Valerie, I shall do. Danielle