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Jennifer
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9 Oct 2007 16:07 |
can anyone help me sort this out?
My grandmother Hannah Sarah Winter was born in Bethnal Green , middx/ London in 1870 Her birth cerificate says Father is William Winter , silkweaver and mother Mary Ann (Meek or could be Week(s) in curly handwriting) Mary Ann could not write.
Hannah's marriage cert says her father is James (I think) winter occupation indecipherable but not long enough to be silkweaver. Witnesses were Sydney Herbert Winter and Sarah elizabeth Winter(I haven't found these guys yet). Why did she say her father was James? (cant find a james winter who fits)
Puzzle is : I can find a marriage between William and Mary Ann that fits except William Winter to Mary Ann Weeks in 1867 in Greenwich Q June 1d 1060
Is this likely ? Census return for a william and mary ann shows a different birthplace for her so I'm not convinced. I'ld love to trace this line back beyong GGrandfather william so any advice welcome.
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Glenys
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9 Oct 2007 16:47 |
1871 census about Hannah Winter Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St James The Less County/Island: London Country: England Street address:20 ames st
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 100
Household Members: Name Age Geo Alfred Winter 3 son Hannah Winter 1 dau Mary Winter 40 wife William Winter 43 head/silk weaver
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David
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9 Oct 2007 16:49 |
Sarah Elizabeth Winter c1875 Bethnal Green is on the 1881 census with:
William Winter c1826 Whitechapel, Silk Weaver Mary Ann c1839 Bethnal Green George c1868 Bethnal Green Hannah c1870 Bethnal Green Mary Ann c1872 Bethnal Green Sarah Elizabeth c1875 Bethnal Green.
On the 1871 census with:
William Winter c1826 Whitechapel, Silk Weaver Mary Ann c1831 Bethnal Green Geo Alfred c1868 Bethnal Green Hannah c1870 Bethnal Green
Perhaps Marys age was mistranscribed.
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Glenys
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9 Oct 2007 17:03 |
1881 census about William Winter Age: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 31 Ames St Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Silk Weaver Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age George Winter 13 Hannah Winter 11 Mary Ann Winter 42 Mary Ann Winter 9 Sarah Elizabeth Winter 6 William Winter 55
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Glenys
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9 Oct 2007 17:12 |
1891 census about (may not be him but same occ') William Winter Age: 68 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Inmate Gender: Male Where born: Whitechapel, London, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address:bethnal green workhouse
Occupation:silk weaver
Condition as to marriage:widower
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green East ED, institution, or vessel: St Matthew Bethnal Green Workhouse
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Glenys
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9 Oct 2007 17:21 |
1891 census about Sidney H Winter Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah H Gender: Male Where born: Clapham, London, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabus Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address:kenilworth rd
Occupation:colour maker
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green East ED, institution, or vessel: 6a Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age Charles F Meek 24 boarder Howell T Way 23 boarder Herbert J Winter 9/12 son Sarah H Winter 28 wife Sidney H Winter 34 head Thomas R Winters 7 son
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Jennifer
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9 Oct 2007 17:30 |
thank you Glenys It's upsetting to think he was in the workhouse in 1891. I'm fairly sure he was born in 1823, but hard to be certain solely on the census. At least he was still with us in 1901, and as far as I can tell not in workhouse then . He died in 1909.
What I really would like to pin down is his marriage so i can establish parents
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David
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9 Oct 2007 17:30 |
Sidney Herbert Winter birth Mar 1855 Wandsworth can be seen on the census with his mother Ellen c1822 and father Thomas c1815 Whitechapel.
IGI has a
Thomas Winter Christening: 01 JAN 1815 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney parents John & Margaret.
William Winter Christening: 15 FEB 1824 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney parents John & Margaret.
So Sidney Herbert was probably Hannah cousin.
Sidney Herbert Winter married June 1883 Poplar, a Sarah Harriet Meek was on the same page.
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