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Winter puzzle

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David

David Report 9 Oct 2007 17:30

Sidney Herbert Winter birth Mar 1855 Wandsworth can be seen on the census with his mother Ellen c1822 and father Thomas c1815 Whitechapel.

IGI has a

Thomas Winter Christening: 01 JAN 1815 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney parents John & Margaret.

William Winter Christening: 15 FEB 1824 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney parents John & Margaret.

So Sidney Herbert was probably Hannah cousin.

Sidney Herbert Winter married June 1883 Poplar, a Sarah Harriet Meek was on the same page.

Jennifer

Jennifer Report 9 Oct 2007 17:30

thank you Glenys
It's upsetting to think he was in the workhouse in 1891.
I'm fairly sure he was born in 1823, but hard to be certain solely on the census.
At least he was still with us in 1901, and as far as I can tell not in workhouse then . He died in 1909.

What I really would like to pin down is his marriage so i can establish parents

Glenys

Glenys Report 9 Oct 2007 17:21

1891 census about Sidney H Winter
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah H
Gender: Male
Where born: Clapham, London, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabus
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:kenilworth rd

Occupation:colour maker

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green East
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Charles F Meek 24 boarder
Howell T Way 23 boarder
Herbert J Winter 9/12 son
Sarah H Winter 28 wife
Sidney H Winter 34 head
Thomas R Winters 7 son

Glenys

Glenys Report 9 Oct 2007 17:12

1891 census about (may not be him but same occ')
William Winter
Age: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:bethnal green workhouse

Occupation:silk weaver

Condition as to marriage:widower

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green East
ED, institution, or vessel: St Matthew Bethnal Green Workhouse

Glenys

Glenys Report 9 Oct 2007 17:03

1881 census about
William Winter
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 31 Ames St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Silk Weaver

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
George Winter 13
Hannah Winter 11
Mary Ann Winter 42
Mary Ann Winter 9
Sarah Elizabeth Winter 6
William Winter 55


David

David Report 9 Oct 2007 16:49

Sarah Elizabeth Winter c1875 Bethnal Green is on the 1881 census with:

William Winter c1826 Whitechapel, Silk Weaver
Mary Ann c1839 Bethnal Green
George c1868 Bethnal Green
Hannah c1870 Bethnal Green
Mary Ann c1872 Bethnal Green
Sarah Elizabeth c1875 Bethnal Green.

On the 1871 census with:

William Winter c1826 Whitechapel, Silk Weaver
Mary Ann c1831 Bethnal Green
Geo Alfred c1868 Bethnal Green
Hannah c1870 Bethnal Green

Perhaps Marys age was mistranscribed.

Glenys

Glenys Report 9 Oct 2007 16:47

1871 census about
Hannah Winter
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William
Mother's name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St James The Less
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:20 ames st

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 100

Household Members: Name Age
Geo Alfred Winter 3 son
Hannah Winter 1 dau
Mary Winter 40 wife
William Winter 43 head/silk weaver




Jennifer

Jennifer Report 9 Oct 2007 16:07

can anyone help me sort this out?

My grandmother Hannah Sarah Winter was born in Bethnal Green , middx/ London in 1870
Her birth cerificate says Father is William Winter , silkweaver and mother Mary Ann (Meek or could be Week(s) in curly handwriting)
Mary Ann could not write.

Hannah's marriage cert says her father is James (I think) winter occupation indecipherable but not long enough to be silkweaver.
Witnesses were Sydney Herbert Winter and Sarah elizabeth Winter(I haven't found these guys yet).
Why did she say her father was James? (cant find a james winter who fits)

Puzzle is :
I can find a marriage between William and Mary Ann that fits except
William Winter to Mary Ann Weeks in 1867 in Greenwich Q June 1d 1060

Is this likely ?
Census return for a william and mary ann shows a different birthplace for her so I'm not convinced.
I'ld love to trace this line back beyong GGrandfather william so any advice welcome.