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Can I get a look up on WIlliam Horace George b.1900c and Elsie Wood b.Dec 1898 Ladywood, Birmingham.

I have Smethwick as place of birth for William, and parent's as Lewis George and Rose (surname unknown at this time).
I'm not sure if this information is correct, so would appreciate any help with these pair.

I also have siblings, although no DoB's for them.

Bernard, Harold, Ampthis, Elsie and William.
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Elsie's parent's are George Wood b.1864c no PoB and Emma (again surname unknown at this time) b.1867c

Many thanks

Sheena x

Hi Sheena, could this be him?

1901 England Census
about William Horace George
Name: William Horace George
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Louis Arxander
Mother's Name: Rose Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Smethwick, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Smethwick
Ecclesiastical parish: Old Church
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members: Name Age
Cavroline Moria George 36
Louis Arxander George 23
Rose Hannah George 22
William Horace George 1

Living at 68 Florence Road, Lewis is a general labourer.

George and Emmas marriage?

Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)


Fawcett Sarah Ashton 8d 564
Shaw James Ashton 8d 564
>>>Walker Emma Ashton 8d 564
>>>Wood George Ashton 8d 564

Or....

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)


>>>Groves Emma Aston 6d 519
Jew John Aston 6d 519
Ralf Ellen Aston 6d 519
Tew John Aston 6d 519
>>>Wood George Aston 6d 519

Or....

Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%)


Holbrook Eliza Wolverhampton 6b 765
Smith James Wolverhampton 6b 765
>>>THORPE Emma Wolverhampton 6b 765
>>>Wood George Wolverhampton 6b 765

Not sure on the marriage's, but the census looks to be them.

Just out of curiousity, who is Cavroline Moria George 36 on the 1901 census?

Thank you for checking.

Sheena x

It looks like Caroline Moira Gregory, rather than George. She's listed as a boarder. Apologies - I should have put 69 Florence Road, not 68.

This birth seems to fit with the census info:

Births Dec 1877 (>99%)
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George Alexander Louis Birmingham 6d 226

Louis Alexander George 1899 Apr-May-Jun West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

Rosanna Gregory 1899 Apr-May-Jun West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
View Record
Rosannah Gregory 1899 Apr-May-Jun West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 1442 (click to see others on page)


Louis and Rosannah's marriage?

There's a Gregory family living at 68 Florence Road in the 1901 census, perhaps she's related to them.

Again, i'm not sure! Would be it normal practice to marry your neighbour? ( I know i wouldn't.. hehehe)

Maybe it might help for me to get William's birth cert to get he's mmn.

Do you think we might be able to go further back on Louis through census?

Oh God, me neither, but I don't suppose it's unheard of!

1881 England Census
about Alexander George
Name: Alexander George
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Bham, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 128 Winson St
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ada M. George 12
Adelaide George 5
Albert George 14
Alexander George 3
Alma M. George 10
Ambrose T. George 8
Amelia George
Aubes N. George 18
Harriett George 43
William George 53

1891 England Census
about Luiss George
Name: Luiss George
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Harborne
Ecclesiastical parish: The Old Chapel
Town: Smethwick
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet George 56
Lillian George 10
Luiss George 13
Sidney George 19
William George 65

Street address: 69 Florence Road

It's a bit confusing as the children seem to interchange their first and middle names. As an example - this Son uses the name Ambrose in 1881 and Sidney in 1891


Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
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GEORGE Ambrose Sidney Birmingham 6d 248

Ok now I am confused!

I recognise the parent's name on 1881 and 1891 census, but not the children.
I understand that Louis wouldn't be on the 1881 and possibly not Lillian depending on what time of the year she was born. But the Sidney probably wouldn't be living at home by the time he is 29.

But where did all the other children come from?
They weren't shown on the 1891, but there are loads of them on 1881!

Possibly 2 different families?

Oh I think I got it...

So you're saying that Alexander would be Louis
and that Amelia would be Lillian?

I'm guessing that as Amelia doesn't have an age, which would make her newborn.

But why would Ambrose be Sidney? I know you gave me the birth, But the bit that throws me is the T after Ambrose?

Sorry If I'm confusing you too, I'm completely lost!

Just a theory unless it can be proved with the certs, but Louis/Alexander seem to be the same person, interchanging names as Ambrose/Sidney appears to have done. Most of the children on the 1881 census would have been of an age to have left home and possibly married by 1891. Sorry, you've lost me - where does it say Sidney was at home when he was 29?

"But the Sidney probably wouldn't be living at home by the time he is 29"

My main query is that Ambrose T maybe the same age as what Sidney would have been, but why not use the name that starts with "T" or why is the "T" not an "S" for Sidney?

What a confusing family!

It appears as Ambrose T on the info page, but if you look at the image it's an S - there are loads of mistranscriptions as you can see by the few pages I've posted. As I said, it's just a theory, but everything seems to fit.

Please forgive me Lindy, I wasn't trying to sound contradicting. Just this family has confused the hell outta me, not that it needs much to confuse me these days.

Are you able to find a birth for Lillian/Amelia... it might help if I can get her's and Louis' cert's to know for sure?

Beginning to wonder why I started this now?

No problem at all - I'm confused too! I've had members of my family change names at will, but not in quite such numbers. From freebmd:

Births Jun 1880 (>99%)
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GEORGE Amelia Lilian Birmingham 6d 240

Sorry to be a pain Lindy, just one last request! Then I'm gonna call it a night after giving myself the biggest head ache of all time.

Can you locate the family on the 1871 cenus? Might be able to get the other children names too, middle, first... whatever they call themselves.

And I'll try and track something from them, not sure how or where just yet... but the plot sure is thickening with the George's!

Thanks for all your help.
You've been a star.

Sheena x

You're welcome! Here's the 1871 - complete with even more spelling mistakes:

Name: William George
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harrett
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton Lindsey, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Harborne
Ecclesiastical parish: North Harborne
Town: Smethwick
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
Ada M George 2
Albert E George 5
Allice S George 6
Alna M George 1
Auther W George 8
Harrett George 37
Thomas George 15
Walter George 20
William George 48

It'll all seem clearer in the morning, maybe! Hopefully I haven't sent you in the wrong direction - let me know how you get on.

Linda
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