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A long shot I know but here goes.....
If anyone is visiting London Metropolitan Archives in Northampton Rd London would you be so very kind and look up a reference for me?
X081/085 its the baptisms for St.Mark, Goodmans Fields area
June 1840 - Nov 1870..
My Gt.Grandmother Margaret Belilo was born in Leman Street, Goodmans Fields in 1841 (on the 1841 census she is 4 months old) I cannot find her on BMD, GRO or anywhere else for that matter! I have her marriage and death details but have had no luck what so ever in finding her birth details, I just need to confirm her parents.
Thank you
Wendy

Are her parents not on 1841 census?

The marriage cert will confirm her father's details

Margaret Belilo 1871 Apr-May-Jun London City Greater London, London, Middlesex
Francis Lambert 1871 Apr-May-Jun London City Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c Page: 120

Reg

Yes they are...Issac and Sarah Belilo but on her marriage cert she gives her fathers name as William Belilo...Issac died in 1859 and Sarah in 1861, so why give William as her father, why not Issac "deceased"...

Its been one of my biggest family history headaches!

Wendy

Was he a William Isaac or an Isaac William?


Ozi.

Sorry, Israel not Issac......

I wish it were then my problem would be solved! she even gives the profession of her father "William" as Gentleman on her marriage cert in 1871. This is the same name and profession of the father as her brother gives on his marriage cert in 1873 although his parents on the census are Israel and Sarah..
Although Ozibird I must admit I never gave a middle name a thought...
Wendy

Are Israel and Sarah of the right ages to be her parents? Or could they be her grandparents?

Reg

On the 1851 census Israel is a dancing master.

People are often called by pet names all their lives. The children may have not known his real first name but he used it on official papers like the census.

Ozi.

Would this be her in 1871? It's transcribed Belile but the original reads Belilo.
18 Gresham St., St. Olave, Old Jewry, London
Margaret Belilo, head, 28, flag maker
Rachael, sister, 24, flag maker
Prosper, brother, 19, carver
Henry, brother, 17, die tinker?
Elizabeth F. Shorten, servant, 27, born Norfolk, Yarmouth
The Belilos all born St. Olave, Jewry

The brother's birth cert might be the answer..........

Name: Prosper Belilo
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: City of London
County: London
Volume: 2
Page: 185

Reg

1851: What a mess with transcription. I'll check the image if you want.

Name: Jarael Belilo (Israel)
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Johington (Islington), Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Olave Old Jewry
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 28 Gresham Street - The family goes over the page. On the next page it has 18 Gresham St & the households after 19 & 21. On the first page the households before are 1 Basinghall St & 26 Gresham St.

Occupation: Teacher of Dancing

Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: London City North
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Jarael Belilo 46
Anne Belilo 38 - wife; St Georges East
Sarah Belilo 19 - daughter; St Georges East
Julia Belilo 15 - daughter; Whitechapel
Richetta Belilo 10 (Rosetta) - daughter; St Georges East
Marloff Belilo 12 - son; Whitechapel
Hester Belilo 7 - daughter; St Olave, Jewry
Abraham Belilo 3 - son; St Olave, Jewry
Prosper Belilo 1 - son; St Olave, Jewry
Catherine Sally 20 - servant

In 1861 Prosper Bellilo (transcribed Bellils ) is an orphan living with a family with a lot of orphans. He's age 11, born London.

This is how I read the messy 1851 that Ozi posted. Someone else might read it differently:
28 Gresham St., St. Olave Jewry
Israel Belilo, head, 46, teacher of dancing, born Islington, Middlesex
Anne, wife, 38, born St. Georges East, Middlesex
Sarah, dau, 19, born St. Georges East
Julia, dau, 15, born Whitechapel
Rosetta, dau, 10, born St. Georges East
Marloff?, son, 12, born Whitechapel
Hester, dau, 7, born St. Olave
Abraham, son, 3, born St. Olave
Prosper, son, 1, born St. Olave
Catherine Sally, servant, 20, born Ireland

Looks good Margaret. We match.


Ozi.

Thanks for all your thoughts...

Reg...yes Sarah & Israel are the right age to be the parents..I have Prosper's birth cert 1850 parents Israel & Sarah....

Margaret...Belile yes thats them, the trouble with Belilo is that it can be spelt in numerous ways, on the 1851 census Margaret is under Margt Bilogh!

Ozibird...Thanks for that but I have all the census for the family up to 1901, most of the birth, death and marriage certs for the family. 1851 Israel is a dancing master and on his son Macluff's birth cert of 1838 he is a quill merchant, what a change of occupation....

A trail through the Parish Registers seems the only answer.

Thank you all once again

Wendy

What an interesting family though. What's the history of the sons' names?

I notice that in 1881 Macluff says he's born in Spain. Is that artistic licence?

Ozi.

You're not kidding an interesting family, my head spins just trying to work it all out, have been at it for years!
Macluff says on the 1881 census he is born in Spain, on his birth cert of 1838 he is born in Leman Street,Goodmans Fields, Whitechapel (Same place as my elusive Gt.Grandmother Margaret 3 years later) he married twice and gives his occ as an artist...He died in 1893 by, according to his death cert, "bullet wound in head, suicide whilst temperaily insane, which is what I shall be if I carry on with this branch!
The Belilos lived in Spain until they left in 1492 under the Decree of Expulsion by the Catholic Kings, they went to Gibraltar. In 1779 Spain mounted an all out siege on Gibraltar in an attempt to recover it, life became dangerous and the Belilos left for London, one branch returned to Gibraltar at the beginning of the 19th cent but my Belilos stayed in London, all this information I have but still no birth cert for my Gt.Grandmother!
Yes as you say very interesting....
Wendy

Wow, how exciting!

Much better than my lot from Somerset.

Ozi.