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Tracey, I take it that you have searched the Directories under Blacksmiths then, ..... I'll check it out anyway on my next trip to London, ..... hopefully within the next month or so, I cannot do it any earlier as I live in Leicester ... OR if there is a nice person out there, who is able to check the London Directories out B4 me, beating me to it. ....Just have to see if there were any listed. If it were not for your find of the 1871 Census of my rellies, .... I was about ready to throw in the towel. Patience we think we have, but at times when the brick wall is all you see in front, you, me and all of us who are hit by them are tested to the limits .... eventually YOU WILL FIND THEM, it just takes time, patience, ... loads of patience, ..... and with the help of all who so kindly help us on GR, Many Thanks to you all. Take care, Regards J.C

Sorry all for not replying, I had missed this thread and silly me for not checking it Right - Yes some of my O'Leary was in the army & navy. I don't know much about it as my great uncle cant remember much to what regiment and who it was. As for 1881 listing.. That *might* be a possible, thank you I will follow that up, will email my great uncle about it and see what he thinks. Variants of O'Leary surname - I have tried everything i.e first name only with place of birth, just the surname etc. No avail! John, you know how I feel now with them elusive rellies, which is why I searched for yours in a break from banging head against that brick wall! Elizabeth & William wouldn't be in Scotland because Elizabeth was disowned by her parents for marrying a poor man, as the Hardys was a well do family. But will check it out.. INCASE they did anyways. Ireland.. Well again another possibly, but no access to 1901 there! Once again for you people who have replied, thank you SO much for helping and trying! Regards, T xx

Hi Tracey, Just a thought that may help, after having some success myself with them only over the weekend. As you know Wentzell is one name of my family tree and have been trying to find them but with not much luck like yourself with your rellies. We had not found Andrew b 1812 on any census, but we knew that he was a Publican as well as being a Boat / Barge Builder in Lambeth..... Directories, ... It was my first time of using them, looking under both the commercial section and the publican section we found that he was listed in both from 1841 upto 1872. You may obviously have already checked these out, the Directories, the tradesman of Blacksmith in your line, he may well be listed. Hope the info's useful, Happy Hunting, Regards J.C

Hi Tracy Have you tried all spellings of that name? My Learys became Oleary O'Leary and Learey on various census data. Some sites will use variants of names and others stick strictly to what you put in the search. One of mine whose name was Hinves turned out to be Hewitson in 1901 which stretches the imagination. I'm reliably informed that the transcribing was done in Sri Lanka and there are some very bad translations.

Hi Tracey The william Oleary in Kensington that Emma found has a wife called GRACE - so not who your searching for : ( Rosemary has a valid point as williams wife was from Scotland - could they be on the Scottish 1891? Much happiness debi

Hi again I know that my late father, a LEARY, and his two eldest brothers were more or less forced to enlist in the army due to unemployment. Perhaps many other single Learys found themselves in that situation? Regards Di

I also found William LEARY Household Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Information: Birth Year <1862> Birthplace Ireland Age 19 Occupation Private Marital Status U <Unmarried> Head of Household Jack MILBOURNE Relation Other Disability -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Institution "45th Reg Sherwood Foresters" Perm Barracks Census Place Aldershot, Hampshire, England and John LEAREY Household Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Information: Birth Year <1844> Birthplace Ireland Age 37 Occupation Farrier Marital Status M <Married> Head of Household John LEAREY Relation Head Disability -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Institution "Fourth (Q.D.) Hussars" Census Place Aldershot, Hampshire, England Could they have been an Army family? regards Di

Hi Could these be yours on the 1881 census? William M. O LEARY Head M Male 32 Cork Co Coomlagane Captain 82nd Regt Mary M. O LEARY Wife M Female 29 Cork Pallas Green, Ireland Mary M. H. O LEARY Dau U Female 1 Cork Co Corlagane Mary MAKER Serv U Female 50 Dublin Abbey St Domestic Servant Ellen GUINEE Serv U Female 20 Cork Co Nr Mill Street Domestic Servant -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling No 1 Hut K Lines Nth Camp Farnborough Census Place Farnborough, Hampshire, England

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Willie aged 7 isnt my great grandfather as he was born in district of St Giles in 1895. so the search is still on! ARGHHH!!

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Emma, That MIGHT be a possible unless they put the age down wrong as I know that my William was born in March 1895. I'll check that one out.. thanks for trying ! Will let you know once I hear from my great uncle as he's going to find out about his Aunt 'Molly' Thanks again, Tracy

Tracy, I knew the O'Leary family I mentioned before weren't yours, I just wondered whether the reference you found for Mary Ellen O'Leary might be the Ellen in this family and not yours at all. So far I'm drawing a blank with this search- I've even looked at every William on the 1891 born Ireland in the London area of the approximate right age, but unless he's very badly mistranscribed I can't find him. On the 1901 I have found (listed as Wm not William): Wm O'Leary, 34, born Ireland, blacksmith, Kensington I can't check who his family members are as PRO have kindly jumbled the ID numbers to prevent the decoder being used! There are however, a whole bunch of O'Learys in Kensington including Willie 7 who may or may not be your William Matthew. Anyway it might be worth checking out. Emma.

Emma, Thanks but unfortunately they're not the O'Learys I'm after as Mary/Molly/Elizabeth (?) lived with her brother, William Matthew in 1901 possibly with sister, Ann (death date unknown but know it's from TB) in 1881 Census there should be William O'Leary aged 37 Mary age unknown In 1891 Census William O'Leary (1844) aged 47 Mary age unknown William O'Leary (1865) aged 16 1901 William O'Leary (1844) aged 57 Mary .. Age unknown William (1865) aged 26 Elizabeth aged 65/66 William Matthew (1895) aged 5/6 Possibly M.E or E.E age unknown

Tracy, Still nothing for Mary or Ellen in households with your other names. There is: Ada Oleary 6 Mddsex Bromley Middlesex Bromley Catherine Oleary 46 Mddsex Ratcliffe Middlesex Bromley Tailoress Ellen Oleary 10 Mddsex Bromley Middlesex Bromley Emily Oleary 18 Mddsex Ratcliffe Middlesex Bromley Mabel Oleary 13 Mddsex Bromley Middlesex Bromley Michael Oleary 22 Mddsex Ratcliffe Middlesex Bromley Lighterman Thomas Oleary 17 Mddsex Ratcliffe Middlesex Bromley Lighterman which is possibly the Ellen O'Leary you found a birth ref. for. Emma.

Emma, My silly head.. I've noticed LOL ! Corrected it anyways hehe - this family tree lark got to me :) Tracy

Tracy, Molly/Mary wouldn't have been alive in 1891! Emma

Right - just realised that Molly is variant of Mary... and after speaking to my mother, she just remembered her initial was M.E - So I'm Guessing it's Mary Ellen O'Leary as I've found on FreeBMD in 4th Qtr 1892. So try 1901 Census with Mary E rather Molly Thanks, Tracy

Emma, William O'Leary b. 1865 was a Blacksmith his wife, Elizabeth was Spinster? (on 1887 marriage) William Matthew b. 1895 was a Stoker (Factory) (said on 1919 marriage) William O'Leary b. 1844 - no mention on his marriage details in Cork. but on his son's marriage he was listed as Printer Found Elizabeth Ann Hardy in 1881 as servant. So only found 1 person! on the 1887 marriage William was living at 9?? Castle Street, district of Westminster. in 1919 marriage the address William Matthew was living in 49 Rosher?? Road, Stratford Hope these helps! Tracy