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Hi, We're looking for a Jessie A Wehrle, Harrison or Hammant in 1881, 1901 Census .. she was living with Rosalind and her 2nd husband, Joseph Hammant. Found her on 1891 Census aged 10 living with parents and siblings, Violet, Francis and Joseph jr, but cannot find any in 1881 or 1901 census... where are they? Jessie & Violet was born in Peckham .. Jessie 1880ish and Violet in 1878ish. Rosalind was married to Frederick Wehrle, so 2 sisters are Frederick's children. Please help! Thanks, Tracy

Is this your Frederick Wehrle??? Household: (Continued from Edward R. FISHER) Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Frederick WEHRLE Visitor U Male 24 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Able Seaman R N Richard PARKHOUSE Visitor M Male 35 Cornwood, Devon, England Cooper R N Alfred ELLIS Visitor U Male 24 Torpoint, Cornwall, England Ropemaker R N William NORCLIFFE Visitor M Male 29 Leeds, York, England Coxwain R N Cornelius SEARLE Visitor U Male 20 Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England 2nd Class Stoker R N Thomas WHITE Visitor U Male 24 Stowborough, Dorset, England Private Royal Marines Thomas E. BURTON Visitor U Male 21 Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England Able Seaman RN George H. LEES Visitor U Male 30 Oldham, Lancashire, England General Laborer Thomas DEVERELL Visitor U Male 28 Bromham, Wiltshire, England Able Seaman R N William H. BIRCH Visitor U Male 27 Dawlish, Devon, England Able Seaman R N John MC GRATH Visitor U Male 22 Cork, Ireland Cooks Mate R N Henry STOKES Visitor U Male 23 Deal, Kent, England Able Seaman R N Ephraim WINTER Visitor U Male 20 Portland, Dorset, England Stoker R N Charles RUSSELL Visitor U Male 21 Camberwell, Surrey, England Able Seaman R N William SUTTON Visitor U Male 21 Southampton, Hampshire, England Able Seaman R N James HALL Visitor U Male 22 Southampton, Hampshire, England Able Seaman R N Henry TOOMES Visitor U Male 26 Brashfield, Hampshire, England Able Seaman R N Thom. HALL Visitor U Male 21 Chilton, Berkshire, England Private R M L I -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 88 Queen St (Sailors Welcome Coffee Tavern ) Census Place Portsea, Hampshire, England Family History Library Film 1341280 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1146 / 109 Page Number 46

Argh! This is doing my head in!! LOL. What names (spellings) have you tried? Chloe

Sorry, yes I have got that of Frederick.. but I'm interested in Violet B and Jessie A's birth or any other info - it is a mystery! I've even used the soundex .. would they show up? Nah! lol (sob)

I can't seem to find anything else. Nothing on freeBMD, not for Violet or Jessie. Have you tried 1837online? you might be able to track them down that way. Best to find out when they were born. I don't know!!! Can;t think of anything else! Sorry! Chloe

I says he's not married on there, has it occurred to you that they never married? In this case, Rosalinda Elizabeth (as she is down on FreeBMD on her marriage thing to Joseph Hammant) could have been using her maiden name. Do you know it?

You alread have this I guess, but just in case. Tried the Wehele spelling.... nothing! Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1876 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grant William John Camberwell 1d 1008 Harrison Rosalinda Elizabeth Camberwell 1d 1008 Munday Annie Eliza Camberwell 1d 1008 Wehele Frederick Camberwell 1d 1008

Chloe, Harrison was her maiden name yes - they are the couple ... just the case of the children we're looking for really.. I can see them on the 1891 Census as Frederick supposed to have died so Rosalinda remarried in 1885 - 1889 to Joseph Hammant (any variant surname). Thanking you, Tracy

Rosalinda remarried in 1886 Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1886 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elkins Charlotte St. Saviour 1d 46 HAMMANT Joseph St. Saviour 1d 46 Tilbury Arthur St Saviour 1d 46 WEHRLE Rosalinda Elizabeth St Saviour 1d 46 I can really feel your pain. Perhaps they weren't in the country?!? What surnames did Frederick's children have in 1891? Hammant? Chloe

Frederick's 2 children had the same surname .. as I just found Violet Blanche Wehele's marriage in 1895 (which you did for Frederick's variant surname) so it's Variant of Werhle

Well done. Sorry to say, but I give up!! LOL. It's getting quite late, and I'm at uni, so I better head on back home! Chloe

LOL thanks for trying!! It's proving us a biiiiiiiig headache here !

Not GRRRREAT news I'm afraid, still trying to help but it's not getting anywhere!! I think I know who Violet Blanche married in 1895... Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1895 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Craddock Richard St. Saviour 1d 47 Monger Margaret St. Saviour 1d 47 Shipton Walter Amos St. Saviour 1d 47 Wehele Violet Blanche St Saviour 1d 47 Wehrle Violet Blanche St Saviour 1d 47 She married Walter Amos SHIPTON. In 1901 census, there is a Violet Shipton living in Camberwell, aged 23 born in Peckham, London. You'll need to either spend money to find out who definitely living with her, or use the census decoder to get a rough idea. Chloe

I think I've found Jessie, although it's spelt differently and she has the HAMMANT surname.... in 1901 there's a Jesse HAMMANT, aged 20, born in Peckham, living in St George Myrtar Southwark working as a restaurant waitress. There are 7 HAMMANTs living in St George Rosilinda HAMMANT, aged 41, born in Bermondsey Joseph HAMMANT, aged 35, born in Bermondsey, Hair Dresser Jesse HAMMANT, aged 20 etc Frances HAMMANT, aged 14, born in Camberwell Joseph HAMMANT, aged 12, born in Camberwell Joy HAMMANT, aged 3, born in Bermondsey Percival HAMMANT, aged 1, born in Bermondsey Think that's them!! Remember, people change their names like nobody's business then, didn't need to be adopted etc. And the census was transcrbed in India, hence the different spellings. Chloe Chloe

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Tracy, Is this your friend's site? http://hometown(.)aol(.)co(.)uk/outbackhippies2/myhomepage/mylove(.)html

Joseph Hammant - if you've not got him already on the 1881 - (i'm bored!) Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability George BROOKES Head M Male 30 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Hair Dresser Louisa BROOKES Wife M Female 27 Lambeth, Surrey, England Machinist (Und) Louisa BROOKES Daur Female 4 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Luke BROOKES Son Male 2 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Joseph HAMMONT Serv U Male 16 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Hairdressers Assist Ada BROOKER Daur Female 4 m Bermondsey, Surrey, England Emma PARTLETON Serv U Female 18 Old Kent Road, Surrey, England Genl Servant -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 12 Pages Walk Census Place Bermondsey, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341127 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0560 / 129 Page Number 25

Chloe, Oooh you!!! What a star! Thanks - that IS her on 1901.. thank yooooo and yes Outbackhippie is the friend who was looking for Jessie/Jesse Hammant. Dur at me for not spotting her on the 1901 Census Thanks again.. much! Tracy

No prob, I'm glad I found something, it was driving me absolutely potty.... still is!! I think Rosalinda etc must have been out of the country, or you could try "census strays" not sure if that's any help as whenever I can find my ancestors, they tended to be in India. Chloe

Chloe, From what I was told by my friend that Rosalinda and Jessie went with the circus... now that'll prove to be more difficult ! They may went there during the 1881 Census as we cannot find them on it either... They are there in 1891 now 1901 (thanks to you). Just missing in 1881. Thanks again, Tracy