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Thanks Steve Irene

Hi Irene, I don't remember where i saw it probaly this site though. When i saw it i just cut and pasted it into notepad where i keep all kinds of useful information. Try this site it has lots of useful info. http://www(.)compter(.)org/info(.)htm#Whats%20in%20a%20name Steve.

Thanks Steve, will print this off so I don't forget. You don't happen to remember you found it do you. Irene

Hi Irene i think this is the list you were thinking about: Naming Conventions. In the 18 & 19 centuries families tended to name their children in a specific pattern, which can give some guidance to family names: Males First -born son Father's Father Second born son Mother's Father Third -born son Father' Forth - born son Father's eldest Brother Fifth - born son Father's 2nd or Mother's eldest brother Females First-born daughter Mother's mother second -born daughter Father's mother Third -born daughter Mother Forth-born daughter Mother's eldest sister Fifth-born daughter Mother's 2nd or Fathers eldest sister Steve.

Debs Before 1837 you will only get church records, with luck you may find his marriage with "of ?" so you may have to find the banns or lience if you are lucky enough and they survived. other than that you will have to go on what you have family names are one 1st son after the fathers father 2nd son after the mothers father 3rd son after the father 1st daughter after the mother mother 2nd daughter after the fathers mother 3rd daughter after the mother There is a listing somewhere on the net but I have failed to find it again, it came in very useful just wished I had saved it as I can't remember after the 3rd. Again if any children died they use to name the next children (same sex) hense families with more than one of the same name which can confuse you a bit until you realise that the first one died. Irene

Deb I notice that a lot of good people have given you lots advice on this thread to help you. Can I add some advice, I have found it a lot easier to concentrate on one side of my family at once and then only a couple of family members at a time you will find your thinking becomes alot clearer because you remember the little details and then you are able to think logically about the different ways of approaching a problem. Of course when you visit any Archives to collect information you do need a few lines to follow to make it worth your while a visit. i hope you know what I mean because the last thing I want is to sound like I'm telling you what to do, just someone who has been there. Best Wishes and keep digging! Barbara

I know his occupation, he was a stocking framework Knitter as where most people in that area and most of his famiyl to come. Dont know if it said widow as ive only been given the names and ages. No occupations etc. x Deborah

No Deb, it won't show his place of birth but it will possibly give you his age which would narrow your search down to when he may have been born, plus if his wife was present at the death it will confirm her name ...and it will definately tell you how he died. Elaine. Your request for 1851 Census has been deleted ..Did you get the info then ...and if so, was she a Widow ?

What will a death cert from 1841 to 1851 show on it. Will it show place of birth?

If you have found wife and children on 1851 .. does it say wife is widowed ? if so you know he died after 41 before 51. If you have found possible deaths for him I'm afraid the only option is to send for one at a time and find out who was present at his death ...it may be his wife ! Elaine.

John Hemsley was 55 in 1841 not in 1851 with his wife (so must have died by then) Options: (Stoke Golding was actually in Nuneaton district in the 1840s, Hinckley after that) Deaths Dec 1842 Hemsley John Melton Mowbray 15 146 Deaths Mar 1844 HEMSLEY John Loughbro 15 105

Do you know when John, senior died? Like Gwynneth says I think you need to find him and the family in 1851. You will then perhaps have a better idea of his age and birthplace.,A case of going forwards in order to go back.

ahhhh...in that case it says 'N' i THINK. So thats even worse. Hes not on the 1851 with his wife and children either.

One column on the 1841 is "Born in county" which is usually "Y", but you get the occasional "N".

Join the club, your in the same boat as many many hundreds of us. As has been suggested ..look for 1851 for same fam..it may give you more details. Just keep paddling till you get so tired you give up. Elaine.

Thanks, The 1841 doesnt say anything about where John was born and i have a photocopy of it. This is whats confusing me. There are options on the IGI for a birth of this name, but how am i ever going to know which year/place is the right one. How do i match it too the right birth if theres lots? Im confused??? x Deborah

They were rounded down - if it says 55, it could be 55-59.

Hi, Ages of adults on the 1841 census were rounded up (or down I forget which) to the nearest 5 so the age you have for him may not be accurate. Search the 1851 census for the same family and you may get a more accurate age plus his birthplace. With that information you can search parish records for his baptism. You are very unlikely to get a date of birth pre 1837 a baptism is the best you can hope for. Any info you get from the IGI should be checked agaisnt original records as there are many errors in the IGI. Gwynne

These are the only Stoke Golding Hemsleys (via Hugh Wallis) 1. MARY HEMSLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 16 APR 1837 Stoke Golding, Leicester, England 2. GEORGE HEMSLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 23 NOV 1823 Stoke Golding, Leicester, England 3. JOHN HEMSLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 09 JUL 1841 Stoke Golding, Leicester, England 4. ALICE HEMSLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 22 DEC 1833 Stoke Golding, Leicester, England 5. THOMAS HEMSLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 27 AUG 1826 Stoke Golding, Leicester, England 6. JOSEPH HEMSLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 23 SEP 1821 Stoke Golding, Leicester, England BIVRI has no Hemsleys in Leics. The 1841 census should give an indication of whether or not John was born in Leics - if not, there are lots on IGI you could look at.

Hi Debs, Firstly, ANY info before 1837 you should look for on the IGI ...if your not sure what this is then ask... Any births, deaths or marriages eg. Mary 4 & John 5mths should be on 1837online and COULD be on FreeBMD. These will give you the District, Volume No & Page No that you need to be able to send away for the certificate to proove your findings. You won't get certificates before 1837 BUT once you find the info your looking for on the IGI or Parish Records etc, you can get a copy of the entry to verify your findings. If the family are on the 1841 they are obviously still alive so you should find ALL the marriages for the children and/or deaths for every member of the family on either FreeBMD or 1837online. I hope this helps. If your still unsure of how to go about things or what to do next ... ask. Unfortunately, with out the certificates no one can give you any information ... we can only steer you in the right direction to get the info you are looking for. Elaine.