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I cretainly do not think this family knew how to count as the info given in the 1881 census (found on LDS) does not match up with the info given on the 1871 census! The ages don't tie up for Peter and Jemima, but same address and same names, so I come either from a family of liars and cheats or family that can't count, lol Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Peter RACKHAM Head U Male 56 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Veterinary Surgeon Jemima SPARROW Boarder M Female 50 Raveningham, Suffolk, England Alphea SPARROW Boarder U Female 18 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Silk Finisher Gertrude SPARROW Boarder Female 12 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Scholar Amy SPARROW Boarder Female 5 Lowestoft, Suffolk, England Scholar --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On the National Archives site there is an entry for Peter Rachkam living in Northumberland too so he could have moved up there later....need to pay to view this image so I think I'll have a go at the birth records first.

Can't find Samuel on 1881 or death but that doesn't mean they aren't there. Must dash. This is sooooooooo interesting. Tricia

My my! So I have got some skeletons in my upboard! This gets better and better. So perhaps poor Gertrude did not know who her real father was if that was the case, hence her putting down Frederick and deceased!

Oh, my goodness, have you spotted the naughtiness, Ann and could explain why Gertrude 'disowned' father. On 1871 Mr Peter Rackham is a veterinary surgeon boarding with the Sparrow family. On 1881 The Sparrow family minus Samuel is boarding with Peter Rackham Mum and family ran off with the lodger!! I'll check for possible sightings of and or death of Samuel and then must feed family.

Thanks so much for all you have done Elaine. I am sure with your and Tricia's help I'll be able to find out much more on Flirtie Gertie and her family :) Ann

Now then Tricia ...I've just spent ages trying to locate Flirty Gerty and can't find her ...not on IGI OR 1881 ....???? maybe I've been sat at PC too long today !! Also checked for Annie E Sparrow on IGI there are several, so no news there ! Sorry girls, I've flunked out !! Son screaming for tea, so good time for me to bow out !! Good Luck Ann, fingers crossed that this jigsaw falls into place ! Elaine :-)

The only Annie E Sparrow Suffolk on 1871 is in household of a John Willis so hold that thought. Of course, Sparrow could be her married name. If you look on 1881 Gertrude is with mother Jemina and siblings in lodgings. . Again, she is the only one that fits.Jemina is down as married but no husband there. Tricia

I am starting to think that my ancestors liked to have assumed names lol. Was wondering if perhaps old Gertie lied about her dad on the birth cert? She could have even lied about her age...guessing if she was younger than 18 she would have had to have asked the father's permission. A witness at the wedding was a Annie Emily Sparrow, I found a possible record for her. Thinking of buying that cert and maybe it will turn out to be a sister of Gertrude or an aunt...

There is only one entry for a Gertrude age 1 in Lowestoft and her father is Ostler but his name is Samuel!!! She has a brother called Frederick

Would love them :) Ann

I have Gertrude at home with mum & dad and other little Sparrows if you would like them. Can't find the Pages on 1871 as yet,though. Tricia

This is the bad news for George's father the name is also George which may mean the John Page family doesn't make sense. The father's occupation is also blacksmith. For Gertrudes father he is deceased but his occupation is showing as Ostler. Maybe this isn't the one as if the wedding was 1886 and he was 20 years old then...grrr, but I have a good feeling about this one, mother's name being Watson and all. Gertrudes father was Frederick Sparrow

and also found the GRO for the marriage possibility you gave me :) Looks like I'll be keeping the GRO busy for a while :)

Ann, On the marriage cert, what names and occupations are given for each Father please ? Elaine :-)

Managed to find the GRO refrence on 1837online thanks to your info. I am going to order the birth certificate and hopefully will learn even more from that. I am so excited! I didn't expect to get this far as my grandmother was estranged from her family years ago.

Stop showing off,Elaine. There are people out there watching you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got a bit translated on that image - how about you Off to find more inform now - got to get that Elaine on the run. Tricia

And there's more ... but I would take it , again, with a pinch of salt. Another entry on IGI, from 3rd party. Millicent Margaret Page b 1844 Dalston, Cumberland. ...same parents as George Watson Page .. John & Margaret, so they could be brother and sister. Nothing coming up for Sparrow .. but I'll keep searching ! Elaine :-)

It certainly gives me more avenues to look at, I really hope it is the right one :) You guys are the best

JOHN PAGE Male Family Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Father: JAMES PAGE Family Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET WATSON Family Marriage: 18 JUL 1838 All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. If its the correct George Watson Page, then this looks like his parents marriage ...and you get Grandad to boot !! lucky you !! Elaine :-)