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I'm looking for a David Armstrong who would be aged about 3 on the 1891 Census. His father was called John and there may be refrence to a Robert. Details of this family would be truly appreciated.

Hi Linda, I think I have the 1891 image. there is a Robert aged 1, brother of David, there is no father, mother Elizabeth as head but not shown as widowed, shown as miners wife. Let me know your email address for the image. Paul

Hi, Linda, If this is right family send me your Email for image - there's a lot on it. Dad is missing Elizabeth C Head age 43 Henry son 18 Thomas son 14 John son 12 Annie Dau 10 George WL son age8 Elizabeth J Dau 6 David son 3 Robert son 1 James Crumbie Son 51 Robert Crumbie son 36 Willian Crumbie son 28 Jessie Bond Servant Wid 37 Hannah Crumbie visitor 13 Living 6 Villiers St East Murton Tricia

Do you know Dad's age and birthplace??

Fantastic - I cannot thank you both enough. David's Dad was called John - that's all I have at the moment.

Dad is alive and well on 1881 with family. As I now have his details I will check 1891 for him - probably in hospital from exhaustion!!!!!!!!! Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John ARMSTRONG Head M Male 32 Hetton, Durham, England Coal Miner Elizabeth ARMSTRONG Wife M Female 32 Houghton Le Spring, Durham, England Henry ARMSTRONG Son Male 8 Murton, Durham, England Scholar Thomas Dixon ARMSTRONG Son Male 4 Murton, Durham, England John ARMSTRONG Son Male 2 Murton, Durham, England Ann ARMSTRONG Dau Female 9 m Murton, Durham, England Source Information: Dwelling 24 Owen St Census Place East Murton, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342195 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4969 / 22 Page Number 38

This is a possible for dad John Armstrong, census gives his occupation as stone miner! Name: Armstrong, John Age in 1891: 41 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where Born: Mugglesweck, Durham Civil parish: Medomsley Ecclesiastical parish: Medomsley Town: County: Durham Source information: RG12/4092 Registration district: Lanchester Sub registration district: Consett ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 8 Page: 13 Paul

Paul - going by the information that Patricia has found dont think this is our man, but many thanks for looking. Patricia - many thanks for this. Just as an aside - I've checked 1837 Online for deaths between January 1889 and June 1891 and the only John Armstrong which remotely ties in died aged 46 in Newcastle in the December quarter of 1890. Doesnt this research give you a buzz. Thank you both for your help.

Do you have the marriage? Year Quarter District County Volume Page Appleby, John 1872 March Houghton le Spring Co. Durham 10a 496 Armstrong, John 1872 March Houghton le Spring Co. Durham 10a 496 Dixon, Elizabeth Catherine 1872 March Houghton le Spring Co. Durham 10a 496 Mitchell, Elizabeth 1872 March Houghton le Spring Co. Durham 10a 496 Dixon is in Thomas' name. Can't find dad in 1891 he may have given different birthplace - what else could he put for Hetton. I have checked every John Armstrong but no coalminers the right age.

Pat - outstanding. I can only say thank you. Easington Lane is sometimes listed as part of Hetton. Although for John and Elizabeth to meet up Hetton is nearer to Houghton than Easington Lane. Wonder where he was.

Hubby is shouting for his tea - so am going to have to leave it for the time being. Again thank you so much for your help.

Let him shout - this is far more important. Now, Durham is not on Ancestry 1871 so you will have to go to Durhamrecords on line to get these people pre-marriage. They are both on there but until you pay £3 for images you won't know if they are with parents. John Armstrong is given as 22 years old born Hetton living Easington. Elizabeth Dixon is given as age 22 indexed in Easington and Houghton. As for 1891 I think he did a runner!! Tricia

The people lodging with Elizabeth in 1891 live in the house next door(1881) to the one in 1891 - Villiers St Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Robert CRUMBIE Head W Male 65 Wallsend, Northumberland, England Retired Coal Miner James CRUMBIE Son U Male 41 Benton, Northumberland, England Coal Miner Matthew CRUMBIE Son U Male 30 East Murton, Durham, England Coal Miner Robert CRUMBIE Son U Male 25 East Murton, Durham, England Blacksmith At Colliery William CRUMBIE Son U Male 18 East Murton, Durham, England Blacksmith At Colliery Source Information: Dwelling 7 Villiers St Census Place Dawdon, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342195 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4968 / 60 Page Number Maybe Robert was a very very good friend??? Not joking - did happen - he is a widow in 1891 and perhaps to remain respectable she declared herself still married. Who knows?? I take you have them on 1901? Tricia

Hi Tricia Had a look at the copy of the 1891 Census you sent and the Crumbies were living next door on that one too. Many thanks for your help. I shall have a look through to the Records Office at County Hall to look at the 1871 Census. Chuffed that you found John and Elizabeth C. marriage. Another wall has come tumbling down. Happy hunting

Good Morning Tricia - I can only find Elizabeth on the 1901 Census. John was born in the June quarter of 1849 in Houghton - Ref 24 233 Linda

David is on there,isn't he??

Linda, There is now a John Armstrong age 56 born Houghton Le Spring Coal miner on 1901. Will try to get rest of household for young David and see if the family comes together. Hope they are living with Elizabeth. Fingers crossed. George age 18 is there,too. Tricia

Hello Tricia, I had not got as far as having a look at the entry for 1901 only found Elizabeth on the free view. Sorry I've only just got back to you, I've been trying to set up Net Meeting with my sister and it nearly goosed my computer. Think I shall give up on that one.

Tricia - Just looked on freeview and yes David is there aged 13 a Pony driver at the Pit. He didnt get married until 1906 to this looks like the family. John would have been 52 in 1901, but in those days they seemed to loose track of their ages. Kind regards - Linda

Tricia - Just to let you know that Elizabeth is shown as a Widow on the 1901 Census. They were living at 6 Villiers Street, Murton Elizabeth Head Aged 53 Thomas D. Armstrong Aged 24 John Armstrong Aged 22 Ann Armstrong Aged 20 George Wm. Armstrong Aged 18 David Armstrong Aged 13 Robert H. Armstrong Aged 11 Many thanks for your help. Kind regards - Linda