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I havce today received Henry Pedley's birth certificate. dob 15 Nov 1859. Definately the right one, father Charles, Coal Carrier and mother Mary Ann formerly Lovatt. This being the case, the family that Ronnie has found in 1871 would seem to me to be correct. Only question is, where could Henry be if he's not at home with family? He would only be about 12? Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Sam P.s looks likely that Vernon who I thought was the father of Henry originally was in fact his uncle (charles and vernon are brothers) so all my previous reseacrh not gone totally to waste!

Yes I did enter them on my tree and have spent most of tonight taking them all off again - that will teach me won't it! I am keeping all the info I have though, just incase the Pedleys of Wetley Rocks / Cheddleton etc all end up being related somewhere further down the line! Thanks to everyone who has helped me. Sam

Well, as they say - the best of British to you! I would seriously consider checking 1837 for any possible births before deciding which certs to send for. Have checked hundreds of entries on 1837 for mistranscriptions but can't find him. If he was named differently at birth you have a real problem. You must find Mum and hope that that helps. All that hard work for nothing - did you enter them all on your tree. What a nightmare. Good luck,Tricia

Smiley Sammy Thank you, this is the family that I originally found and incorrectly assumed to be my Henry. Hours of research into this family followed, found loads of them and thought I was doing really well - until tonight when marrige cert for Henry has turned up with father named as Charles If anyone reading this thread is also researching Pedley and recognises any of the names in the posting above - I have census images / IGI information / marriage certs and much more that you can have!! Sam

This is 1871, apologies if someone has already given you this. Vernon Pedley 45 Wetley Rocks, Staffordshire, England Head Newcastle under Lyme Staffordshire Ann Pedley 41 Brindley Ford, Cheshire, England Wife Newcastle under Lyme Staffordshire Mary A Pedley 18 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Daughter Newcastle under Lyme Staffordshire Lydia E Pedley 16 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Daughter Newcastle under Lyme Staffordshire Georgiana Pedley 11 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Daughter Newcastle under Lyme Staffordshire Henry Pedley 9 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Son Newcastle under Lyme Staffordshire Vernon Pedley 5 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Son Newcastle under Lyme Staffordshire Alice Pedley 1 Newcastle, Staffordshire, England Daughter Newcastle under Lyme Staffordshire 14 Market Street Newcastle under Lyme

These are the Charles Pedley families in 1871 in case they become useful at a later date(!!) Ann Jane Pedley 4 Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Trentham Staffordshire Charles Pedley 26 Longton, Staffordshire, England Head Trentham Staffordshire Elizabeth Pedley 1 Trentham, Staffordshire, England Daughter Trentham Staffordshire Susan Pedley 24 Longton, Staffordshire, England Wife Trentham Staffordshire Thomas Pedley 66 Uttoxeter, Staffordshire, England Father Trentham Staffordshire Living Bantyre Street. Charles is a Pottery placer. Doesn't sound right! Next one Albert Pedley 1 Cella Head W Leek, Staffordshire, England Son Leek and Lowe Staffordshire Alfred Pedley 8 Leek, Staffordshire, England Son Leek and Lowe Staffordshire Charles Pedley 48 Cheddleton W Leek, Staffordshire, England Head Leek and Lowe Staffordshire Charles Pedley 18 Leek, Staffordshire, England Son Leek and Lowe Staffordshire Mary Ann Pedley 42 Cheddleton W Leek, Staffordshire, England Wife Leek and Lowe Staffordshire This Charles is a coal dealer living 2 County London Road

Thanks Ronnie I think my only option is to send for this cert and ask them to check the fathers name. I will scream if they say it's not Charles!! Sam

Me back again.. there is a birth for Henry Pedley on freebmd for December quarter 1859 ref Cheadle 6b 240 and Cheadle includes Cheddleton in Staffs. Ronnie (officially Veronica but always known as Ronnie)

The Pedley's are a flippin' nightmare!! When i was 'assuming' that Vernon Pedley was Henry's father, I also found 2 Charles Vernon Pedley's in Leek and have kept his details as I thought is was too much of a coincidence. The Vernon I found (born Wetley Rocks) also had a brother called Charles but I didn't really look at that side of it as i thought Vernon was the dad. They all seem to come from Wetley Rocks / Cheddleton / Leek area and are all names Charles / Vernon / Henry and most are miners / labourers -aaaaggghhhh!!!! Unfortunately the witnesses from the marriage are Taylors, from Mary's side. I think I will have another trawl through 1837 for other possibly births for Henry! Thank you all Sam

Come on Veronica - I'm going cross eyed!! Find him in 1871. That Charles could be Dad but where is Henry - in the coal cellar???

Is it possible that Charles & Vernon are one & the same? I was checking out Charles Pedley's on the civil reg and came across this... Name: Pedley, Charles Vernon Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 1 Quarter: September Year: 1899 District: Wolstanton County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 84 Maybe a connection with your family, but notice the christian names.

I saw Charles born in Leek but there is no Henry with him in 1871. Where ever he was in 1881 he SHOULD be around in 1871 with parents or visiting somewhere. Any clues with the witnesses names on his marriage cert??

Hi ..I do like a puzzle.I've had a look for Charles Pedley; 1871 census Charles pedley age48 born Cheddleton(Parish where Wetley rocks is) address Leek and Lowe staffs Coal dealer Albert son aged 1 bn Celia head w leek Alfred son aged 8 bn Leek Charles son aged 18 bn Leek Mary Ann wife aged 42 bn Cheddleton Then 1881 census: Charles Pedley bn aprox 1821 Wetley Rocks head General labourer address Leek and Lowe staffs Mary A daughter bn 1867 aprox Could this be dad? My only other thought is that Henry was not his first name. I've had lots of instances where ancestors were called by different names eg James Henry Albert was always uncle Albert. Have you tried 1837 on line for birth.? I shall follow your thread with much interest good luck Ronnie

There is definately more than one Henry, I have the birth cert for yet another one, born 1859 in Longton Staffs, mother Elizabeth and no father. Don't think this is the one one though becasue 'my' Henry has given place of birth as Wetley Rocks, Staffordshire in all census's that I can find him in. This is a small village now so would have been even smaller back in mid 1800's and although it's not too far from Longton, its far enough for me to thinks its not the right one. I have found a possible Charles Pedley in Leek, Staffs in 1881. Do you know if there were any wars etc around this time - Henry would have been around 21 so possibly called up to war? (I'm clutching at straws now!!) Sam

So far I can only find one Henry Pedley of correct age on 1871. This is him and there's no way of knowing if it is the correct one. My knowledge of Staffordshire is zero. Is this the same Henry who appears on 1901. Are there 2 Henry's or just one. This Henry is born Staffs but living Lanashire and in 1881 is a lodger in Lancs but is a labourer in a cotton mill. It is a puzzle. I'm not convinced this is him. The safest bet is to look on 1837 for possible births to find Mum as well. I'll have another look around. Match Quality Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Emma Pedley 39 Bishops Castle, Shropshire, England Head Walton le Dale Lancashire Henry Pedley 13 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Son Walton le Dale Lancashire Louisa Pedley 11 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walton le Dale Lancashire

It doesn't say that he was deceased but you never know

Was father deceased on marriage cert??

Sorry, his marriage certificate from Aug 1884 gives his age as 25 so he would be born approx 1859. he is described as a collier and his father Charles is a labourer.

Sorry - year of birth for Henry??

I am trying to trace the PEDLEY side of my family, from Staffordshire. I have the birth cert of my Grandad from 1912 which gives his parents as Arthur Pedley, Ironstone Hewer and Elizabeth Pedley, formerly Booth. Address given is 8 Prospect Street, Burslem, Stoke on Trent which is in Wolstanton registration district. I have marriage cert for Arthur and Elizabeth, 3rd Sept 1905. Groom aged 21, a miner living at 7 Ricardo Street, Burslem. His father is recorded as Henry Pedley, Miner. on 1901 census, I have Arthur and his parents living at 18 Prospect Street, Burslem and Henry's birthplace is recorded as Wetley Rocks, Staffordshire. Found same family in 1891 living at 27 Ricardo Street, Burslem. I have Arthurs birth certificate Aug 1884, father Henry as above and mother Mary Pedley, formerly Taylor. Living at 24 Prospect street, Burslem. My problem is I can't find Henry on any census 1881 or before. I did find a Henry living with father Vernon, born Wetley Rocks, Staffordshire and have been researching this family. BUT today I have received marriage cert for Henry Pedley and Mary Taylor (Aug 1884) and Henry's father is recorded as Charles! This has totally thrown me as I was virtually positive it would say Vernon and I was only getting the certificate as a formality! Anyone able to find my Henry on and census or does anyone have any ideas? Sorry for the length of this - thanks for any help! Sam