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I cannot find a womans birth certificate and i want to know her father beacuse she was born illegitametly. Do you think that her father will be on her marriage? Thanks $teph $couser

If there is one on her marriage, it's likely to be a made-up one. She may say the right one, but it's not often that happens.

How do you know she was illegitimate if you can't find her birth certificate? What year are we looking at for the birth?

would not have thought so if she was Illegitamat (sp) Jeanette

i know that she was illegitimate beacuse my nan was her daughter and she told her that she never met her father and that all her half brothers and sisters had different fathers.

Stef What year was the child born in and what was her name. Victor

Have you tried looking to see whether any Bastardy Bonds exist for her? If the father was made to pay maintenance for her, he would be named on those Lou

Steph You need to get the birth cert to see whether or not a father is named. If you give details of the person's name and rough idea when/where she was born, perhaps others can find it. nell

The girls name was margaret walsh. This is what happened her mother left her husband and already had about 4 children. Then she had margaret in liverpool with another man. I found her birth the volume and page but when i sent for it they said they couldn't find it and would have to sned off to another place in southport. I have been trying to look for her baptism because it states the parents on the baptism...what are bastardy bonds?

the child was born in 1905

Steph if you have the volume, page plus year and quarter, why couldn't they provide the cert? did you order it from the GRO in Southport, or from the local register office? nell

i ordered it from the cotton exchange in liverpool and they said for some reason that they couldn't find it.

Steph Here is the reference Margaret Walsh Quarter Sep 1905 District Liverpool Vol 8B Page 241. If you send to the GRO address http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp It will only cost £7.00 and this reference is their reference so it will match. Victor

do you know what bastardy bonds r bu any chance

thanks i will try this again and do you know what bastardy bonds are?

i am sorry everyone i have to go but just leave any messages and i will reply, if important.

Bastardy Bonds is the old fashioned name for 'maintenance'. The father (if known and caught up with) MAY have had to pay Bastardy Bonds (maintenance). I don't know where or how you find the info ... hopefully someone else will be able to enlighten you further. Dancer x

Steph a) it sounds like you applied to the local register office, not the GRO. The ref with vol & page etc is a GRO ref, no use to local offices, BUT as Victor says, you should be able to get the cert from the GRO online details in his thread. b) get the cert first, to see if there is a father named. c) bastardy bonds etc info will be at the county records office. Before the welfare state, people in need applied for support to the parish. In the case of an illegitimate child, the parish in turn would question a mother to find out who the father of her child was. You may find details of an 'examination' or interview with the mother. BUT she may have been supported by a man and therefore not applied to the parish for help. nell