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Hi ALL, Many thanks for all your help, Crista, On Herbert's birth cert Florence is just florence, his full name is Herbert Wilfred George Britton, Their were more children and the youngest was named Maud, this was leaning me towards the Florence Maud bit, the other thing is if you look on the threads above it will show you that Florence is just florence on one census and then on another she is florence m.....same one... I will be sending off for their marriage cert shortly and hope that this will help out. cheers, x

Bernice If you're only getting your info from Ancestry, then there might still be another birth for a Florence Garland in the Bristol area on the index (try 1837online or familyrelatives). Ancestry is not complete and therefore can't be taken as definite without checking the complete indexes. Chloe

Hope Im not going to confuse matters here.Might there be 2 Florence Mauds with 2 years age difference. My grandmother had a neice with the same name,born in the same place but only 6 years in their ages. Perhaps this is the case here. Margaret

Bernice, There's only one marriage reference for a Florence Garland to a George Britton isn't there? You have to stick with the facts and that means using the names from the son's birth cert. You can't make assumptions using census records. Forget about the Florence Maud Garland. There's no mention of the name Maud on the birth cert or the obvious marriage a few years before. That, plus Florence Maud is still single and with her parents in 1901. What was Herbert's full name? Perhaps his middle name might be a clue. What is the address listed on the birth cert? Crista

Thanks Crista, The relatives are telling me that they think George was 20 and Florence was 18 when they married, and yes a cert would be helpful, but which one do I pick....? cheers. x

Bernice, There's another Florence Garland with father George in 1891 listed as 13. She is missing in 1901 so she could be your Florence. Could be she lied about her age because she was older than her husband. In 1891 she and her siblings are listed as being born in Mangotsfield but by 1901 it states Kingswood for her siblings. You have to get the marriage cert to clear this up. Crista

The Florence Maud that you mean married a ERNEST BRITTON not my George......so it has to be the one in 1899.. BRINKWORTH, Lucy Christiana 1909 June Marriages Bristol Avon Gloucestershire BRITTON, Ernest 1909 June Marriages Bristol Avon Gloucestershire COURT, Walter Victor J 1909 June Marriages Bristol Avon Gloucestershire GARLAND, Florence Maud 1909 June Marriages Bristol

GARLAND, Florence Maud Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1883 District: Keynsham County: Gloucestershire Somerset Volume: 5c Page: 659 I am getting most of my info from Ancestry.

Hi Rosemary, Florence in 1891 aged 8 with all her family, Florence M in 1901 aged 18 with all her family, Garland, Albert C abt 1880 Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Son Oldland Gloucestershire Garland, Elizabeth abt 1859 Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Wife Oldland Gloucestershire Garland, Florence abt 1883 Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Oldland Gloucestershire Garland, Margaret abt 1889 Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Oldland Gloucestershire Garland, Minnie abt 1886 Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Oldland Gloucestershire Garland, Thomas abt 1859 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head Oldland Gloucestershire Claude A Garland abt 1880 Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingswood Gloucestershire Elizabeth Garland abt 1859 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Kingswood Gloucestershire Florence M Garland abt 1883 Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Kingswood Gloucestershire Margaret Garland abt 1889 Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Kingswood Gloucestershire Minnie Garland abt 1886 Kingswood, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Kingswood Gloucestershire Thomas Garland abt 1859 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head Kingswood Gloucestershire Same family so must be same FLORENCE (MAUD) Course the problem is Florence should be with george in 1901.

Hi Rosemary, Thank you i totally agree with you, George married Florence Garland in 1899, on the 1901 census George and Florence are together as man and wife with a birth date for florence being 1883, the only one I can find is a florence maud with that birth date...... thanks, x

Are you 100% sure that it was Florence MAUD and not just Florence? Have you looked at the St Catherine's index to see if there are other ones in the right area? Are there other George Britton's marrying? I think you need to get the cert to see what it says before jumping to any conclusions. I've done that before, and traced the wrong family back for about 3 years!! Chloe

My grt gran married in 1878 aged 16 on the marriage cert ,however from her birth cert she wasnt 16 but 15& half so she was in the victorian guidelines of 14 for girls to marry with parental consent. Since i answered the thread has lost me,so dont know if my answer relavant! Shirley

Hi Rosemary, Yes I have the son's cert and it does only say Florence Garland not MAUD....but I have a birth for florence maud 1883 and not just florence.....what a mind blower............x

Thanks Kate, that is Ernest not my George, there were a lot of Brittons around then. Could florence marry under her middle name Maud.????

Hi All, GARLAND, Florence Maud Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1883 District: Keynsham County: Gloucestershire Somerset Volume: 5c Page: 659 (click to see others on page) This is the same florence who married george britton, (I think), however could there have been two of them with 2 years difference, she could not of been on the census twice as 1 is 16 and the other is married at 18.

I am definitely confused now! Marriages Jun 1909 --------------------------------------------------------------------- BRINKWORTH Lucy Christiana Bristol 6a 293 BRITTON Ernest Bristol 6a 293 COURT Walter Victor J Bristol 6a 293 GARLAND Florence Maud Bristol 6a 293 Got to go now, before my brain explodes!! Kate

Bernice - I think your best bet will certainly be to get the marriage cert and see if the Florence on it had the same father as the Florence living at home on the 1901. My great-grandmother married my great-grandfather in 1899, and she is listed as unmarried, living with her father, in 1901, and that was because they had married in secret, without telling her family (they got married at a register office), but she was over 21 so didn't need her father's consent. I'm not sure how easy it would have been for a 16-year old to do the same, nor why she would be listed in two places. So I would definitely get the marriage cert if I were you. Kate.

Rosemary please don't say that.......her first born was Herbert in 1901...x

Thank you Rosemary and Kate, Rosemary you are spot on honey, on the 1891 census she is aged 8 and ofcourse still living at home. Kate I have not got the marriage cert as yet, that will probably be my next step, I have also found a Maud Garland marrying a George Britton in 1901, so could Florence drop her name and marry in Maud. Its certainly a mystery and driving me potty....x

I suppose this is their marriage, from FreeBMD, but no mention of Florence having a middle name: Marriages Dec 1899 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Britton George Keynsham 5c 1288 Churchill Jane Keynsham 5c 1288 Garland Florence Keynsham 5c 1288 Ratcliffe Charles Keynsham 5c 1288 Kate.