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Heather Anything strikes me as possible with this one! Interestingly, Stonehouse and Elizabeth had 12 children that I know of to date and none of them have Stonehouse anywhere in their name However from the next generation down, right up to the 1930's, there are several who have been given it either as a christian name or a middle name I've even obtained birth certs for people totally irrelevant to my direct line to be certain that they were called Stonehouse and it wasn't a nickname but that seems to be how they were registered! Lou

Hi Lou - hope all is well. Re the weird name - you may or may not have read my thread recently. I have a GGFx4 and in all census and at his kids baptisms he is called Sandor Verrall. What a brilliant name I thought and went searching for possible maternal ancestors of his with the surname Sandor. I recently tracked down his daughters marriage cert - there in all its glory 'Name of Father - Alexander Verral' DOH So it is possible a nickname could have caused some confusion over Anthoney/ Tone/Stonehouse??

Hi Crone! Good of you to be interested enough to have got the map out for me during my periods of enforced absence just lately! The Stonehouse connection is certainly an interesting one and one that's worthy of following up. My contact has given me no explanation as to why the assumption is made that he was born in Scotland, other than 'Stuart' is a predomoninately Scottish name - a rather weak reasoning in my humble opinion! I'll certainly do some investigating and, as Cheryl says, the Tyne & Wear connection is certainly feasible. The 1851 census return clearly says Sunderland, Northumberland for his place of birth Lou x

Probably not much use, but I was moved to get the map out last night. There is indeed a Sunderland in Northumberland, just below where the A595 and A591 meet at a place called Bothel. Interestingly, to me anyway, hah ha, there is a tiny little hamlet called Stonehouse, a short boat ride across the Solway Firth and up above Dalbeattie, in Dumfries and Galloway. And there is another hamlet called Stonehouse, to the right of Carlisle, and to the right of the A689 near a place called Halton Lea Gate. Where I'm going with this is - perhaps a long ago ancestor was born in Stonehouse and this is where the name came from and also the idea of a Scottish connection. Northumberland and the Borders have been both Scottish and English at various times in their history. Unless your contact comes up with a good reason for him being born on the Isle of Islay (was it?), searching the Borders/Northumberland would seem more productive at the moment. Hope you don't think this is total rubbish, but my Waterhouse ancestor was named after the place of his grandfather's birth - they had run out of maiden names by the time he was born! Olde Crone

I think it may be Sunderland, Tyne and |Wear as Sunderland had lots of pilots on the River Wear who brought the ships in and out of the river. (still do) I know Newcastlehas a Trinity ouse Museum on the Quayside, but not sure if same in Sunderland. Cheryl

Thanks for the suggestions! Kew and the Guildhall Library have already been checked for his Trinity Pilot papers and I've got them for 3 of his son's but nothing for him. However, they were checked for Stonehouse Stuart, not Anthony! The staff at Trinity House were very helpful when I first contacted them and apparantly, lots of records were destroyed when a bomb landed on Trinity House during WW2 so they were obviously only able to transfer what survived. Just my luck as usual! Lou

Hi Lou you might want to read the info on this web addy, to much info to paste. http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/thouse.htm julie

Nice one Julie, you beat me to it ... glad I read ALL the thread ! Elaine :-) Hi Lou, Good Luck with this one x Elaine :-)

Pasted from Guildhall library manuscripts section 2) PILOTS Pilots were licensed, not employed, by the Corporation of Trinity House. When a pilot first applied to be licensed, he had to have British nationality, have several years' experience as a watch-keeping officer of a ship, hold a foreign-going Master Mariner's certificate (or Naval certificate of service) and be under 35.The Corporation examined London Pilotage district pilots itself (about two-thirds of all pilots). The London Pilotage district extended from Felixstowe to Dungeness, taking in all the intermediate harbours and the River Thames up to London Bridge. In the forty outport districts, sub-commissioners of pilotage, appointed by the Corporation, examined pilots and recommended them for licences. In the smaller ports, 'Trinity House pilots' were often fishermen. Major family history sources are : Registers of pilots' licences (London) 1808-1929 (Ms 30172) (indexed in Ms 30173A, held on Reading Room open shelves) Registers of pilots' licences (outports) 1808-46 & 1810-76 covering different ports (Ms 30174) Both these series of registers give pilot's age, residence, qualifications and physical description. Lists of pilots already working in outports 1808 (Ms 30193) Returns of pilotage listing pilots (by port) 1854-1912, giving name, age and qualification (Ms 30198) Julie

Oh, Olde Crone and Lesley - that is brilliant stuff!!! And son-in-law was a man, so that means he was only ever half listening to anything.....wonder if he was in trouble when he got back from the registrars???? (hope so lol) Sarah

Sarah, No, I dont understand my reference to Alexander Stonehouse either! I meant of course, Anthony Stonehouse. (I plead lack of split-screen facility, m'lud, and my inability to hold a name in my head for more than a second) Erm, you dont think his loving family called him 'Tone' for short, Stonehouse being a bit of a mouthful, and the BIL who registered the death always thought 'Tone' stood for Anthony??? No???? Ah well, just a thought... Olde Crone

Olde Crone - I don't understand the ref to Alexander Stonehouse??? But there are these birth regs: 1. PETER STONEHOUSE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 13 JUL 1752 Bamburgh, Northumberland, England 2. JANE STONEHOUSE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1757 Bamburgh, Northumberland, England 3. RICHARD STONEHOUSE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1755 Bamburgh, Northumberland, England 4. ALEXANDER STANHOUSE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 17 JUN 1750 Bamburgh, Northumberland, England where the father of numbers 1, 3 and 4 is Alexander Stonehouse. Bamburgh is the parish for North Sunderland that I keep harping on about in Northumberland!! (There were some Stuarts bap there too, but none named Stonehouse/Anthony or Alexander.) Sarah

Hi Crone! I haven't found a marriage, I'm basing Elizabeth's maiden name being Randfield on the fact that 9 out of their 12 children had Randfield as their middle name and I have been 'told' by this other researcher that her maiden name was Randfield. I'm searching for the evidence! Every generation of my Stuart line has at least one male with Stonehouse as either their christian name or their middle name so agree that its probably relevant way back when! I just need that little leg up to get me part way up and over this brickwall! Lou

Cat Balou On the Scottish side of my family I have some pretty peculiar first names too, such as Waterhouse. Stonehouse sounds pretty Scottish to me and I wonder if it was his mother/grandmother's maiden name? (I know this doesnt fit with the marriage you found but sometimes its a bit obscure, they seemed to go back several generations with the funny names in Scotland). I am assuming you have looked for Alexander Stonehouse? Also, if I remember rightly, bits of Northumberland used to be in Scotland and vice versa. Im rambling again, I'll shut up, good luck! Olde Crone

Hi Julie Trinity Lighthouses, a pilot was someone who manned one I thought of planes at first till I realised the century didn't fit! Lou

If he was a Trinity Pilot, at least North Sunderland is right by the sea (It's near where Grace Darling came from and we all know about her heroics - maybe she was inspired by your Stonehouse Stuart's family? lol) Sarah

Apparantly they make quite a splendid malt whiskey there. That was the only information I was able to glean from him. Rather annoying when I'd given him everything I have on the entire family back as far as c1780. Was hoping for rather more in return than that. Ah well....belated happy birthday by the way, hon! Lou

There is a place in Northumberland called North Sunderland. So if you want a Sunderland that is in Northumberland rather than in County Durham (or Scotland for that matter!) then could it be there. I think the other researcher would need some pretty strong evidence for his/her Islay theory! Sarah

Ouch! So not only do I have a choice of Christian names for him now but there are Sunderland's in 2 different countries. Oh boy, this is definitely beating head against brick wall again time!

There is a Sunderland in the Scottish Borders, just north of Selkirk. Kath. x