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i am finding it very hard to place a marraige from census details..i am searching for James Henn born abt 1825 and jane ?? abt 1832. on the 1861 census they are in derbyshire and have clara abt 1856 and mary abt 1858. when i ask for birth or marraige for james henn it comes back with no results. also can anyone tell me if i find a marraige, will both entries for the couple be on the same page ? ie..am i looking for jane ?? on the same enrty page for james henn ? if i ever find him...lol

Vicki what area were they living in on the 1861 census and could you tell us where it says they were all born. It would help to try and pin down the marriage Mary

Lets start with census 1861 census View Record Clara Henn abt 1856 Derby, Derbyshire, England Daughter St Peter Derbyshire View Record James Henn abt 1825 Hopton, Staffordshire, England Head St Peter Derbyshire View Record Jane Henn abt 1832 Burton, Staffordshire, England Wife St Peter Derbyshire View Record Mary Henn abt 1858 Derby, Derbyshire, England Daughter St Peter Derbyshire

This is the only marriage on ancestry but the page is incomplete View Record HENN, James 1848 December Marriages Stafford Staffordshire

If you are searching on FreeBMD, then you won't find James's birth on there because he was born before the start of Civil Registration (1837), and because FreeBMD is not yet complete, the marriage entry probably hasn't been transcribed yet. You can search through the GRO indexes, on 1837 online, or on microfiche at a records office / large library, and you should find a marriage entry for James, but the only way to get his wife's maiden name would be to get the marriage certificate. Or if you get one of the children's birth certificates, that would give you her maiden name. This could be James' baptism from the IGI (on FamilySearch website): JAMES HENN Male ------------------------------------------------------------------ Event(s): Birth: Christening: 12 DEC 1824 Ingestre, Stafford, England Death: Burial: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM HENN Family Mother: JANE Kate.

That 1848 marriage is on the IGI too, with wife's name given as Ann Lewis. Kate.

What about this one: Jane Smedley? Right place, right time. Marriages Jun 1855 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HENN James Burton 6b 331 SMEDLEY Jane Burton 6b 331 Only real way to double check is to get the daughters birth cert.

Vicki, Civil registration only began in 1837, so there will be no birth certificate for James Henn. With regards to the marriage entry, where are you looking? On FreeBMD (which is not complete) you get possible spouses, but you have to try and work out which one is correct. If you are using 1837online or the GRO fiche for marriages, then each spouse is listed separately in the index, I’m afraid, - finding one will give you no clues about the other. I assume you have tried the LDS site, - familysearch.org - and there was nothing on there to help you? If you can find the birth registration for his daughter Clara and buy her birth certificate, it will tell you the maiden name of Jane. Jay

Anyway, in answer to the marriage part of your original question, yes, you are looking for two marriage index entries for the same quarter with matching districts, volume and page numbers. The trouble is that in the early days there were 4 marriages to a page and later on 2, so that you will usually get back 8 names or 4 names and have to work out which groom married which bride! Some counties have their own BMD sites which will give you the answer, but many don't yet. Kate.

It might be worth looking for James on the 1851 to see if he is married then or not. Back soon if I find him! Kate.

Looks like James was married previously? 1851: I have looked up Jane Smedley and she is working in Burton as a servant. View Record Alice Henn abt 1850 Littleworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Castle Church Staffordshire View Record Ann Henn abt 1826 Hutton, Shropshire, England Wife Castle Church Staffordshire View Record James Henn abt 1824 Hapton, Staffordshire, England Head Castle Church Staffordshire View Record Sarah Lewis abt 1840 Edgmond, Shropshire, England Visitor Castle Church Staffordshire

Yes, looks like him, so it looks as though he had a first wife Ann Lewis and Jane would be his second wife. View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Alice Henn abt 1850 Littleworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Castle Church Staffordshire View Record Ann Henn abt 1826 Hutton, Shropshire, England Wife Castle Church Staffordshire View Record James Henn abt 1824 Hapton, Staffordshire, England Head Castle Church Staffordshire View Record Sarah Lewis abt 1840 Edgmond, Shropshire, England Visitor Castle Church Staffordshire Snap, Heather!! Kate.

Sorry Kate, didnt know you were of the same mind. Im still putting my money on Jane Smedley, right age, right name, right place, right date of marriage.

This seems to relate to the 1848 marriage 1851 Alice Henn abt 1850 Littleworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Castle Church Staffordshire View Record Ann Henn abt 1826 Hutton, Shropshire, England Wife Castle Church Staffordshire View Record James Henn abt 1824 Hapton, Staffordshire, England Head Castle Church Staffordshire View Record Sarah Lewis abt 1840 Edgmond, Shropshire, England Visitor Castle Church Staffordshire

So looks like James married Ann Lewis 1848 and then Jane Smedley 1855. But the only way to really know is get one of the girls certs. And what happened to poor Ann and baby Alice?

This is the only Jane born Burton 1832 in 1851 census View Record Jane Smedley abt 1832 Burton-Upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England Servant Burton upon Trent Derbyshire

Looks like we all have found the same information. I too was looking at the 1851 census with Anne Lewis as Wife. It would appear he did marry twice. I could not see any trace of Alice on the 1861 Census though has anybody else traced her Mary

Good bit of team work investigation there!

Hi Found Alice Henn on 1861 Census living with Granparents in Hopton. Mistranscribed as Hew William Hen Head bc1794 Hopton Jane Hen Wife bc1791 Hopton Alice Hen c1850 Littleworth Grandaughter Ann James c1835 Hopton Daughter Samuel James 1821 Middleton Son In Law John James bc1857 Grandson William James c1860 Warwickshire Grandson Mary

wow...i hope when i have more experience under my belt i can help others on this site but for now my thanx to everyone for their help..this has given me lots to chew on..thanx