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Yes, always check on the IGI entries that the record you are viewing is an extracted one. It is reasonably reliable. The submitted entires may be correct but quite often they are wildly wrong. You always need to check them out in the parish records yourself to be sure. Anne

Think I can now fathom it out... Thanks so much for all your help tonight... senility is starting to set in with this research...lol... Think I will now give it a rest for a while. Many thanks all, Anne :)))

Reggie... are you telling me that the one with the death could be recorded wrongly... and the one with 31/1/1860 christening is the right one? Anne:)))

The earlier christening and death date are submitted records. The later one is extracted from the records. NEVER believe a sumitted record without checking it out for yourself!!!! Anne

The one with a death is a member submitted entry. The other one is from parish records............. Reg

Jeanette... thats what I saw... christening dates differ... As I say, because of the certs I already have and the marriage cert that the other contact GR member has... they are one and the same Elizabeth... but why have her as dead on quite a few entries on IGI? My brain has gone to mush with this...lol... What do I do now? Anne :))

Reggie... They have to be one and the same family... I have a marriage cert for William and Mary Haigh and birth certs for George and William... both birth certs have Mary Haigh as the mother Anne :)))

christening dates are diff. Jeanette

This is the one on the batch, with all the siblings...no mention of a death ELIZABETH FRANCE Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 31 JAN 1860 Womersley, Yorkshire, England Parents: Father: WILLIAM FRANCE Mother: MARY GEORGE FRANCE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 21 MAY 1854 Womersley, Yorkshire, England 2. ELIZABETH FRANCE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 31 JAN 1860 Womersley, Yorkshire, England 3. JOHN FRANCE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 17 OCT 1858 Womersley, Yorkshire, England 4. MARY FRANCE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAR 1852 Womersley, Yorkshire, England 5. WILLIAM FRANCE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 09 JUN 1850 Womersley, Yorkshire, England 6. HANNAH FRANCE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 06 AUG 1848 Womersley, Yorkshire, England 7. ANN FRANCE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 16 MAR 1856 Womersley, Yorkshire, England This next one is the one with a death date Elizabeth France Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 10 JAN 1860 Womersley, Yorkshire, England Death: 05 FEB 1860 Parents: Father: William France Mother: Mary Haigh Reg

Reggie... that is my family...the Elizabeth France of mine was the one in Criddling Stubbs (Womersley )... and in IGI she is down as died in 1860 too... So how can the same Elizabeth be married in 1879 with the same father and with his occupation the same. Anne :)))

Georgina... that is something that I am beginning to think may have happened... maybe got mixed up with dates when recording data. Anne :)))

There are two christenings on the IGI for 1860. One is the one you have...the other is on 31st Jan, with parents William and Mary. The second one has several siblings. This is the 'other' family in 1861 Ann France abt 1856 Cridling Stubbs, Yorkshire, England Daughter Cridling Stubbs Yorkshire View Record Elizabeth France abt 1860 Cridling Stubbs, Yorkshire, England Daughter Cridling Stubbs Yorkshire View Record George France abt 1855 Cridling Stubbs, Yorkshire, England Son Cridling Stubbs Yorkshire View Record Hannah France abt 1849 Cridling Stubbs, Yorkshire, England Daughter Cridling Stubbs Yorkshire View Record Mary France abt 1852 Cridling Stubbs, Yorkshire, England Daughter Cridling Stubbs Yorkshire View Record William France abt 1826 Whitley, Yorkshire, England Head Cridling Stubbs Yorkshire View Record William France abt 1851 Cridling Stubbs, Yorkshire, England Son Cridling Stubbs Yorkshire Reg

First of all I have checked Ancestry... only one Elizabeth for Pontefract area recorded. No death for Elizabeth in March or June quarters. Rosemary... as stated in my main maessage Elizabeths father was William France born 1825... he was a Lime Burner and the same name and occupation is on the marriage cert of the member who I am in contact with. Think I will have to search parish records to finalise this problem... Thanks for the help though. Anne :)))

Anne the entry on the IGI that says she died 5/2/1860 is not an entry from the parish records but has been submitted by a member of the LDS church, they are well known for making mistakes. Georgina.

you wouldnt call them both elizabeth though, would you?? (Twins i meant)

Ahh - having read your last reply - perhaps there were two sets of parents with the same name? Cousins living in the same place for example? Anne

It was quite common to name a child the same as a dead sibling. Dates of birth are difficult to pinpoint accurately. You could look for a death certificate though! Anne

Jeanette... I have checked all Elizabeth France for the area in 1860 and there is another christening on 31/ 1 / 1860 To William and Mary... Do you think that they called both babies by the same name and do you think it could have been twins? Will check out the Ancestry site though. Anne :)))

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I have Elizabeth France christened 5/1/1860 in Womersley, Yorkshire... she is on the IGI as having DIED 5/2/1860. Her parents are William France and Mary Haigh. A member of GR has contacted me saying she married Thomas Curtis... she has the certificate of marriage and her father is the same as my Elizabeth and her father is William France and his occupation is the same... her age is the same too. How can this be? Does anyone have any ideas other than twins being born to them, one dying and the surviving twin being called by the same name? I am stumped. Anne :)))