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im going round in circles and am starting to loose the will to live now! my great grandfather was John Aspin married to Ada Gertrude Foley. John was born to parents James Aspin/Aspen and Elizabeth smith. this i know for sure. James was born abt 1841 in Burnley, lancs according to info on the 81. 91 census. i cant find the marrige cert for james and elizabeth nor can i find her death or his. She died between the 81 and 91 census'. dont know when he died. They had two other children that i know of, thomas born abt 1880 (blackburn) and sarah ann born abt 1875 (burnley) i cant find james on the 51 or 61 census. i have a possible sighting on the 71 census but arent sure. i have no one to ask on this side of my family as my grandfather (johns son) died when my mum was 3 wks old so i have very little to go on. can anyone see the marriage of james and elizabeth? can anyone see the death of elizabeth between 81 and 91? can anyone see james on the census proir to 1881? any help would be greatly appreciated. maybe i have missed them but i think i need a fresh pair of eyes now! lou

For reference is this them in 1881? Eliz. Aspen abt 1847 Burnley, Lancashire, England Wife 12 Crowther St, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England James Aspen abt 1841 Burnley, Lancashire, England Head 12 Crowther St, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England John Aspen abt 1878 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Son 12 Crowther St, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Sarah Ann Aspen abt 1875 Burnley, Lancashire, England Daughter 12 Crowther St, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Thomas Aspen abt 1880 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Son 12 Crowther St, Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Suzanne

yep, thats them. the surname varied from aspin to aspen and back again. johns birth certificate its aspin. lou

possible in 1861? James Aspin abt 1839 Burnley, Lancashire, England Boarder Habergham Eaves Lancashire possible in 1851? Hannah Aspden abt 1812 Yorkshire, England Head Habergham Eaves Lancashire James Aspden abt 1843 Burnley, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire Richard Aspden abt 1845 Burnley, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire Thomas Aspden abt 1850 Burnley, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire William Aspden abt 1847 Burnley, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire

thanks suzanne, what was his occupation on 1861? he was a coal heaver on later census' i missed that one on the 61 census, that looks to be him. if the one i saw on the 71 census is correct he was a loger then too. how would i go abt confirming the 51? lou

Hi Louise, just checking 1861 image now. Confirmation of the eariler ones would really be by getting his marriage and then birth cert to confirm parents names. Wondered if Elizabeth Smith might have been married before as she was in her thirties when first child is born? Smith might have been her first maiden name and put down on child birth cert? Is this where you are getting her Smith name from? Suzanne

1861 occupation is Coal Boatman. (bear in mind that probably everyone in the area had something to do with the coal industry! Suzanne

hi suzanne coul you save me the image if its not too much trouble? i got smith from john aspins birth certificate. father james aspin, captain, mother elizabeth aspin formerly smith. i searche lots for their marriage cert, cant find it for love nor money! one possible was james astin and elizabeth smith but the info just didnt fit. my mum has this cert now so i cant look at it. lou

1871: Shuttleworth?, Forest Street, Blackburn,Lancs James Aspin, abt 1841, Burnley, MARRIED, Head of house,Coal Heaver. says married but no sign of wife? Suzanne

am pretty sure thats him on the 61. he was a coal boatman on the later census. (he must have been a captain of the boat! at a later time) thanks

Hi Louise, send me your email by PM and Ill send the image to you. CAPTAIN? Was he a seaman???? Update: (Oh I see) Suzanne

yep, thats the 71 image i have. am i right in thinking that the census information only lists people that are in the house at the time of oing it, so if his wife was visiting someone she woul be listed elsewhere? lou

Yes thats right.

on john aspins marriage certificate (james son) it sai father james aspin captain. i dont believe that he wasa seaman as such although john was on one of the HMS ships on the 1901 census. I think he must have been a captain of a coal boat-he was thinking above his stations! LOL i wonder if he was aspden at marriage then? something to consider. lou

Image on its way. Foudn this birth? Name: James Aspin Year of Registration: 1841 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Burnley County: Lancashire, West Riding Of Yorkshire Volume: 21 Page: 216

Elizabeth's death? Deaths Jun 1886 Aspin Elizabeth 45 Blackburn 8e 260 Suzanne

My instinct tells me that prehaps they wree both married before? Coud Sarah Ann be from a previous marriage: Name: Sarah Ann Smith Year of Registration: 1875 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Burnley County: Lancashire, West Riding Of Yorkshire Volume: 8e Page: 213 Cant find a birth for a Sarah Ann Asp(e)in in burnley for 1875 +/- 1 year? Suzanne

Or maybe Elizabeth wasnt married??? Sarah Ann Smith Christening: 11 JUL 1875 St Peter'S, Burnley, Lancashire, England Parents: Mother: Elizabeth Smith

OMG thanks! where did you find the death an birth, have looked loads and never come up with them! i will try ordering the certificates. thanks for the image lou

if sarah ann was born to elizabeth an not james but became an aspin once elizabeth married james, would there be a record anywhere like deedpoll showing a change of name? lou