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You're angels, the lot of you. I'm going to put us all out of our misery and send for the cert !! Thanks a million all of you.

This family in 1871 - Wilmcote is near Stratford. >>>>Mary Ann Fisher abt 1857 Bodymoorceth, Warwickshire, England Daughter-in-law Wilnecote Staffordshire Albert Slaney abt 1871 Wilnecote, Warwickshire, England Son Wilnecote Staffordshire Richard Slaney abt 1837 Warton, Warwickshire, England Head Wilnecote Staffordshire William Harry Slaney abt 1870 Wilnecote, Warwickshire, England Son Wilnecote Staffordshire The same girl in 1861 Caroline Fisher abt 1859 Fazeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Fazeley Staffordshire Elizabeth Fisher abt 1834 Fazeley, Staffordshire, England Wife Fazeley Staffordshire Elizabeth Fisher abt 1854 Bodymoorbeath, Warwickshire, England Daughter Fazeley Staffordshire Henry Fisher abt 1830 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Fazeley Staffordshire >>>>Mary Ann Fisher abt 1857 Bodymoorbeath, Warwickshire, England Daughter Fazeley Staffordshire and this marriage Elizabeth Fisher 1869 Jan-Feb-Mar Birmingham (1837-1924) View Record Richard Slaney 1869 Jan-Feb-Mar Birmingham (1837-1924) Helen

There's this marriage William Bartlam 1874 Jan-Feb-Mar Kings Norton >>>>>Thomas Edkins 1874 Jan-Feb-Mar Kings Norton >>>>>Mary Ann Fisher 1874 Jan-Feb-Mar Kings Norton Emma Wootton 1874 Jan-Feb-Mar Kings Norton Helen

a couple of baps, and an, as yet unknown Florence to fling in the pot!! 1. FLORENCE JANE EDKINS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 28 JAN 1872 Saint Mary, Warwick, Warwick, England 2. LUCY ELLEN EDKINS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 03 OCT 1869 Saint Mary, Warwick, Warwick, England 3. FREDERICK JOB EDKINS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 05 APR 1874 Saint Mary, Warwick, Warwick, England <<THERE AFTER KNOWN AS JOB!! looks as though Florence died Name: Florence Jane Edkins Birth Date: abt 1872 Year of Registration: 1876 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 4 District: Warwick County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 345

margaret - get Elizabeth's birth cert PLEASE!! I want to know her mother Marys maiden name if nothing else! Blowed if i can find an appropriate marriage!

right then, >>>> Charles Bromwich 1898 Apr-May-Jun Warwick Warwickshire >>> Elizabeth Edkins 1898 Apr-May-Jun Warwick Warwickshire View Record William Pratt 1898 Apr-May-Jun Warwick Warwickshire View Record Annie Elizabeth Whitehouse 1898 Apr-May-Jun Warwick Warwickshire and the ref for cert:: Name: Charles Bromwich Year of Registration: 1898 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Warwick County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 1243 julie

hiya margaret, i remember now, the bromwich, family that lived on the canal!!!! did you get marr cert for the couple then? this way would giveyou bride/grooms fathers names, and surely help??? (sorry if i seem to be stating the obvious) which in turn will help to sort out this family once and for all LOL Julie

Sorry folks, seem to have made a right pigs ear of this. I'll try and explain from the beginning. Initially I had Charles Bromwich b. 1852 who married second wife Elizabeth Edkins in 1898, Warwick dist. I needed to go back on the Edkins line and so started searching for Elizabeth Edkins on census returns in Warwickshire in the hope of establishing her parents.. I guessed at her year of birth being between 1875-1880. With this in mind I checked the nearest census 1881 and found the list I originally put up, but with no year of birth shown I was no further forward which is why I wanted to try and find her on 1891 census whilst she was presumably still unmarried but I wasn't successful. I then turned my attention to 1901 census, although by this time I knew she was married, but clung to the hope that perhaps she and new husband maybe lived with her parents. This is when I found: Charles Bromage b 1851 Son in Law, Elizabeth b 1880 Dau in Law, Elizabeth F.M. 1900 g/dau, William R. Branson b. 1833 Head, Mary A. 1856 Wife, Albert b. 1879 Son and Fredk b. 1889 Son. I couldn't work out how Charles and Elizabeth were son and dau in law to William and Mary until it dawned on me that Mary and Elizabeth were actually mother and daughter - both having men some 20-odd years older than themselves !! I then checked back on the 1881 census where I had found Elizabeth as grand-daughter with no birth date and Mary A. Edkins with birth date of 1856 and they tallied. From this I am thinking that Mary A. Edkins parents were William and Emma and her first husband was Thomas Edkins b. 1856. I am not presuming this to be correct as yet, but it all does fit in. Hope I have made this clearer for you all, and I apologise for wracking your brains so much, but until I establish that Mary A. Edkins and Thomas Edkins were Elizabeth Edkins parents, I cannot proceed on the Edkins line. If indeed they are, then I have struck gold as Thomas' parents are obviously William and Emma. Thanks you all for sticking with this and doing your best to help me out. Gee this hot weather isn't good for the brain is it ?

hiya Jess, i know what you mean, but we can only assume really, until there is some def proof we are merely guessing LOL Julie

it was Mary im confused about - the one that later marries the bloke from next door . was she really a daughter in law, or a daughter ( in terms of the law)? was she married to one of the Edkins sons (which one?) pre elizabeths birth or not??

hiya, right then, what we really need is a birth for elizabeth,that way we can use mothers name as ref check, and hopefully get right family, as you can see, there does seem to be alot of edkins, i think this is the best way now to go forward. Julie Name: Elizabeth Edkins Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Warwick County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 573 This would tie in with elizabeth being 7months old on 1881 census, Julie seems to be only one in warks, in 1880 This could be her marriage, in 1900 View Record Arthur Ernest Badger 1900 Jan-Feb-Mar Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire View Record Elizabeth Eakins 1900 Jan-Feb-Mar Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire >>> Elizabeth Edkins 1900 Jan-Feb-Mar Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire View Record Emil Ludwig Loeser 1900 Jan-Feb-Mar Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire and the ref:: Name: Elizabeth Edkins Year of Registration: 1900 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Birmingham (1837-1924) County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 128 (click to see others on page) julie

Lost the plot completely here!! Going shopping - will look in later!!!

so, just trying to understand - where is the 1901 that revealled all this, i'm not quite sure what you mean. i think Elizabeth is illigit ( sorry) although do-dah from next door , that her mother subsequently married , maybe her dad.

Sorry Jess - was so hot and bothered and head thumping that I switched off computer and went to bed to try and sleep !!! It is now next morning. It is a complicated story but I'll try..... here goes I am trying to trace back from Elizabeth Edkins born 1880. As I couldn't find her birth anywhere I thought I would track her via the census knowing that her mother was Mary A but had no fathers name. I couldn't find her on 1891 but tracked her on 1901. Imagine my shock when I find both her and her Mother Mary A. living at the same place and both married to men some 20+ years older than them - the household was a mixture of children, stepchildren etc. which didn't help at all because Elizabeth's natural father wasn't amongst them. I can only assume he had died and Mary A. remarried. I eventually came upon the census list that I first put up which showed a Mary A. Edkins as dau in law to the Edkins family and showing a Thomas as head.but which irritatingly didn't show Elizabeth's year of birth. With a dau in law named as Mary A and g/dau Elizabeth it seemed to fit and gave me Thomas as Mary A's husband and Emma and Wm as Eliz grandparents. It all seemed to fit BUT I was only guessing and in tracing f. trees this is fatal. I am sorry with the delay in replying to your wonderful efforts, but I felt awful with the heat last night and abandoned the computer. Many thanks

Margaret??

looks like the one Glitter baby found Henry John Branson 1889 Apr-May-Jun Warwick Warwickshire Mary Ann Edkins 1889 Apr-May-Jun Warwick Warwickshire Name: Mary Ann Edkins Year of Registration: 1889 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Warwick County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 871 ======================== her mother & step-father in 1901 Henry J Branson abt 1863 Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire, England Head Long Itchington Warwickshire Mary A Branson abt 1863 Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire, England Wife Long Itchington Warwickshire Emma K Cashmore abt 1888 Warwick, Warwickshire, England Niece Long Itchington Warwickshire

the one that Glitter Baby found is with these Elizabeth Adkins abt 1881 Warwick, Warwickshire, England Stepdaughter Leamington Warwickshire Albert Branson abt 1874 Rowington, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Warwickshire Fredrick Branson abt 1889 Rowington, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Warwickshire Harold Branson abt 1890 Rowington, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Warwickshire John H Branson abt 1863 Statford on Avon, Warwickshire, England Son Leamington Warwickshire Mary A Branson abt 1841 Statford on Avon, Warwickshire, England Wife Leamington Warwickshire > Mary A Branson abt 1863 Statford on Avon, Warwickshire, England Son Wife Leamington Warwickshire William R Branson abt 1836 Statford on Avon, Warwickshire, England Head Leamington Warwickshire

hiya, this seems to be her in 1901 >> Elizabeth Edkins abt 1882 Warwickshire, England Boarder Balsall Heath Worcestershire View Record G Ann Gloster abt 1838 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Balsall Heath Worcestershire View Record Walter Gloster abt 1873 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Balsall Heath Worcestershire View Record John W Sherrington abt 1883 Warwickshire, England Boarder Balsall Heath Worcestershire julie

hiya, just checked 1881 cen image, the address they were living at is Birmingham Rd, Elizabeths age is given as 7months and was born warwick, warwickshire, I will have a look to see if i can find her on 1891 now HTH Julie

Have you ruled this one out - Edkins and Adkins sound very similar 1891 Name: Elizabeth Adkins Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Stepdaughter Gender: Female Where Born: Warwick, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Leamington Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Leamington County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Source information: RG12/2471 Registration district: Warwick Sub registration district: Leamington ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 91 Page: 9 GSU Number: 6097581 Maureen