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I have two people who I have found on the 1901 census and have a marriage cert for one but I want their birth records and I cannot find them on either FreeBMD or Ancestry. What am I doing wrong? Thanks Caroline

Are you checking the full images on ancestry or the partial index? Both the partial index and freebmd are incomplete. There is also the chance that the birth wasn't registered. Who are you looking for? Glen

Give us some names, dates and areas, so we can try to help. Kath. x

Siblings James Stellyes c1882 Bermondsey Maria Dorothy Stellyes c1884 Bermondsey Their parents are Herman Stellyes c1856 St Georges in the East. and Mary Ann ????? It is the Mothers Maiden name I am trying to find.

I know the surname has a various amount of spellings Stellyes...Stelljes.....Stellges....Stellies and all of the above but with only 1 L but I have tried all of them with no joy for the two children uner births. I have James' marriage cert so I know the Father is correct but I only have the Mothers name from the 1901 census.

I think I have found the death record of the mother Mary Ann but I am not certain. If I order this will it give me her Maiden name? I know the birth cert of her children should but this is where I am completely stumped!

You won't get her maiden name from the death cert. I can't see any births for 1881-1885. Births were sometimes not registered,but it might be better to look for the marriage.Births needed someone to go to the registrar,marriages were conducted in the presence of a registrar,and in theory can't be unregistered. Glen

Thanks for looking! I had ordered a marriage cert for Herman but when it came through today it was for Herman Stellyes and Adelheid Stellyes. ( I suppose this could have been his cousin??) But there was no mention of a Mary Ann on the cert.

Was Mary Ann the mother? From the 1891 (granted the spelling is different but with the christian names being the same for the children) 1891 England Census Record about Herman Stellies Name: Herman Stellies Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Maria Gender: Male Where Born: Whitechapel, London, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthews County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub registration district: Bethnal Green North ED, institution, or vessel: 20a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Herman Stellies 40 James Stellies 10 Maria Stellies 43 Maria Stellies 7 George Webb 18 John Webb 14 Glen

Thank you very much for trying to help...I suppose I have just got to accept this is one of those brick walls that we hit sometimes. Caroline xx

Yes Glen, I think that is them. In the 1901 census the Mother is down as Mary Ann.

Herman 1881? Recorded as unmarried 1881 England Census Record about Herman Stellyes Name: Herman Stellyes Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Son Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where Born: St Georges Civil parish: Shoreditch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 2 Baising House Yd Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Table Maker (Cab M) Registration district: Shoreditch Sub registration district: St Leonard ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Henry Stellyes 26 >>>>>Herman Stellyes 23 Mary Stellyes 60 glen

Caroline have you discounted this one? Marriages Dec 1882 Salt Maria St. Geo. East 1c 903 Steljes Adelheid St. Geo. East 1c 903 Steljes Herman St. Geo. East 1c 903 Tweddle John Irving St. Geo. East 1c 903 Georgina.

Hi Georgina That is the cert that I ordered that came today.... I assume that Herman and Adelheid were cousins as they married...the only possiblilty is that Adelheid called herself Maria or Mary Ann on the census returns??? Do you think it is possible?

Found this on freebmd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1882 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Salt Maria St. Geo. East 1c 903 Steljes Adelheid St. Geo. East 1c 903 Steljes Herman St. Geo. East 1c 903 Tweddle John Irving St. Geo. East 1c 903

Yep, I thought that I had struck lucky when I found that too but the Herman married Adelheid not Maria Salt or at least that is what the cert says....any chance that could be wrong?

Checked Ancestry and the spelling is Stelljes Glen

The marriage cert says Herman Steljes married Adelheid Steljes on 12 Oct 1882 you can see the fun I am having with the different ways that the names are spelt!

Sorry didn't see Georginas' post,don't know what to suggest. Glen

Hi Caroline I have had ancestors who have changed their names on censuses. So rightly or wrongly I think that it is possible that Adelheid changed her name for census purposes to something less germanic and easier for the enumerator spell. Hope this helps.I have also checked for births of the children on 1837online in all quarters and all name variations from 1880 to 1886 and not found them. Sorry couldn't be of assistance with birth records Diane