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I've look @ the GRO indexes for Harriets death between 1851 & 1853 - nothing I'm afraid.

Thanks Kate Will do that and see what it comes up with. I suppose id better make tea for mylot aswell.. They are all chomping at the bit.lol Thanks eveyone for your help. Sue x

I'm getting utterly confused here. But one thing that you could do is search through the GRO death indexes from Jun 1851 to whatever quarter of 1853 Joseph and Elizabeth's marriage took place, to see if there is a Harriet(t) Dearlove death listed in that gap. I know it says Joseph was a bachelor on the marriage cert, but I suppose it could be wrong? There don't seem to be very many Daniel Dearloves around. I can't see Harriet on the 1861 census, but I haven't tried very hard, I must admit. Got to go and make the children's tea now.... But I just had a quick look on FreeBMD and it looks as though Dearloves are listed for all the quarters in that timeframe, and no Harriet. Oh well, back to square one... Kate.

Thanks for that onfo Kate,i hadnt relised that.. Im just trying to find Josephs death again..i know he died between 1857(as that was when his daughter was born)and 1861,when his wife Elizabeth was a widow. If i can find the right one it might give me more info.. Sue x

Sorry Sue - but just because it doesn´t say deceased on marriage certificate doesn´t mean that he wasn´t !!

Sue, you can't be sure that he was still alive just because it doesn't say 'deceased' on the marriage cert. I have a few where the father was deceased but it doesn't say so. Kate.

Daniel was still alive in 1853..as he is not down as deceased on the marraige cert.

So it looks like the death cert i have is for the Joseph that married Harriet...proberly nothing to do with my Dearloves.

This could be Daniel's death, from FreeBMD, in which case he will not be on any census: Deaths Mar 1839 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEARLOVE Daniel Wallingford 6 167 Kate.

Hi Kate, That would be just typical,LOL just to confuse everyone. The whole family is confusing me.. Trying to find a Joseph,with poss a sister called Mary whos father was called Daniel. What a nightmare...

Had a look on the IGI, and it doesn't look as if the Joseph on the censuses had a brother called Daniel. Also, Joseph and Harriet were actually married: JOSEPH DEARLOVE Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: HARRIET HARVEY Family Marriage: 29 JAN 1829 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London So, a bit confusing! Kate.

The joseph i have married Elizabeth.. His father was Daniel ...

So, the Joseph on the censuses must be the one on the death cert, but it looks as if he isn't the one on the marriage certificate, unless either he was lying about being a bachelor, or he wasn't legally married to Harriet? I don't suppose the Joseph on the censuses had a brother called Daniel with a son called Joseph?? Could be? Kate.

I am presuming that the Mary Dearlove(the witness) is his sister

The Joseph we've found in 1841 & 1851 married to Harriet had a son called Alfred Francis: Taken from the IGI ALFRED FRANCES DEARLOVE Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 03 DEC 1832 Christening: 30 MAR 1834 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOSEPH DEARLOVE Family Mother: HARRIET

On the marraige cert it says Batchelor. Sue x

Sue, presumably you have the marriage certificate, so what does it say for Joseph's marital status - bachelor or widower? Kate.

By 1861 Elizabeth was a Widow. I thought i had found Josephs death in 1859 so ordered the cert. But i dont think it is him. The death was in Mile end old town.Joseph Dearlove (on the death cert)was a journey man aged 50.The informant was a Alfred Francis Dearlove.

Here is the same family in 1841 View Record Alfred Dearlove abt 1833 Middlesex, England Stepney Middlesex View Record George Dearlove abt 1830 Middlesex, England Stepney Middlesex View Record Harriett Dearlove abt 1811 Stepney Middlesex View Record Harriett Dearlove abt 1836 Middlesex, England Stepney Middlesex View Record Joseph Dearlove abt 1811 Stepney Middlesex View Record Robert Dearlove abt 1838 Middlesex, England Stepney Middlesex View Record William Dearlove abt 1841 Middlesex, England Stepney Middlesex

Have you checked this family out from the 1851 E Dearlove abt 1848 Stepney, Middlesex, England Daughter Mile End Old Town Middlesex G Dearlove abt 1831 St Giles, Middlesex, England Son Mile End Old Town Middlesex H Dearlove abt 1809 Cromtown, Dorset, England Wife Mile End Old Town Middlesex H Dearlove abt 1836 Stepney, Middlesex, England Daughter Mile End Old Town Middlesex Joseph Dearlove abt 1808 Hendred, Berkshire, England Head Mile End Old Town Middlesex R Dearlove abt 1839 Stepney, Middlesex, England Son Mile End Old Town Middlesex S Dearlove abt 1833 Little Miories City Son Mile End Old Town Middlesex W Dearlove abt 1843 Stepney, Middlesex, England Son Mile End Old Town Middlesex address Old Rutland Street father appears to be Daniel (from IGI) JOSEPH DEARLOVE Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 01 JUL 1810 Hagbourne, Berkshire, England Parents: Father: DANIEL DEARLOVE Family Mother: ANN May be wife died and he remarried - would certainly need someone to look after all those kids!