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I am looking for Ellen Selina Carr married in St Giles Oxford in 1846 to Thomas Dell. There is also an Eliza Selina Carr married Thomas Dell in Headington 1846 both March Qt,I think they must be the sane person,but I would like to know who the father is on the parish records . Can anyone help please. Many thanks Sheila

hiya, surely the marriage cert would tell you this??? have you tried looking fro the people on 1841 cen? julie

Hi Julie,thanks for your reply. Yes the cert would tell me,but I was hoping someone may be able to help me with parish records. I have a marriage certificate for Ellen Selina Carr,born St Giles Oxford she married in 1865,I think it could be the same lady,but on the cert I have she says she was a spinster.Her father was Richard. Thanks again Sheila

hiya, aha! i see where you are coming from now ;) do you have her on 1841 cen then? julie

1841 View Record Ellen Carr abt 1826 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire View Record George Carr abt 1820 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire View Record Isabella Carr abt 1824 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire View Record Sarah Carr abt 1796 St Giles Oxfordshire will have a look for the eliza now julie no male head listed!! perhaps died??

1841 eliza carr? View Record Anthea Carr abt 1837 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire View Record Chas Carr abt 1839 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire View Record Elan Carr abt 1833 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire View Record Eliza Carr abt 1838 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire View Record Elizth Carr abt 1811 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire View Record George Carr abt 1834 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire View Record Henry Carr abt 1840 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire >>>> John Carr abt 1816 Oxfordshire, England St Giles Oxfordshire looks like john is head/father on this julie

Hi Julie,yes she is on the 1841 with her mother,Sarah,sister Isabella and brother George.in St Giles Oxford. I can't find her at all after that until she appears in 1871 census with a Robert McClelland,who had 2 daughters,born before Ellen married Robert But no children any older that could be her's.Unless the first daughter belonged to her, I have the cert for the second daughter,she was a true McClelland but cannot find the birth of the first,a Caroline Elizabeth McClelland.She is my brick wall and driving me crazy. Thanks again Sheila

Thank you for all you looking Julie,it's most kind of you. There seemed to be no end of Carr's in Oxford,Ellen had lots of siblings according to familyserch. But on her 1865 marriage certificate it does say her father was Richard a ...Gentleman. Regards Sheila

On IGI she is christened Ellin Selina 09.04.1824 and marries as Eliza Selina 23.02.1846 to Thomas Dell son of Robert Dell and Elizabeth King. Irene

Hi Irene,thank you for looking for me,I didnt see this,soooooooo, she could be my Ellen after all. Did you find this on familysearch? Thankyou again Sheila

what was Thomas's occupation on the marriage cert. There is a Thomas Dell and Ellen his wife born Oxford in 1851 he is a coach builder. Irene

I dont have the marriage cert for the 1846 event. I was hoping to find who her father was by parish records.I only have the 1865 cert. Regards Sheila

Yes it is on IGI go to county then Oxford then St. Giles look under the marriage details of Thomas Dell. You will also see loads of siblings for Ellen born to Richard and Sarah.Irene

this could be richards death Name: Richard Carr Year of Registration: 1837 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Headington County: Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire Volume: 16 Page: 42 (click to see others on page julie

Thank you Irene,I will look now,seems I havn't been using the site properly, not to have found it. . Thanks again. Sheila

hiya again think the only way around this one is to order the cert(s) with richard as ref check, and as you KNOW that sarah is mother possibly this as well, that way you know you have them, did you try looking for the first child under MMN of Carr?? Julie

Hi Julie,this could be him you have found for me. Thank you. She was with her mother in 1841,so this would explain it. Regards Sheila.

Hi Julie I think you are right,it seems the cert is the only thing that will tell me for sure. I have looked for the first child Caroline Elizabeth McClelland, with Carr and Dell with no luck. It says on the census she was born in Hilsea.I am begining to think she was not registered at all. But Robert McClelland was in the Royal Artillery at the time of her birth,so I would have thought she would be registered,just like the last child.Unless she was Ellens child,this may account for the lack of info about her birth. Regards Sheila

hiya i expect you also tried reversing the forenames as well? for the birth reg that is, (not that i think you are daft or anything) seems to me you have explored all likely events Julie

now i know name is spelt wrong, but a possiblilty? Name: Caroline McLellan Year of Registration: 1864 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Royston County: Cambridgeshire, Essex, Hertfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 238 (click to see others on page) julie