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Hey; I have been searching my Great Great Great grandfather for some time on the census records and have managed to find him on only 2 so far. I have spent hours trawling through these records and am soooo frustrated because i know he is there but just cannot find him. His details are as follows: John George Pinder born March 1820 Sheffield Yorkshire. married Alice Robinson born July 1825 Leeds Yorkshire Chlldren were Elizabeth 1845 Alfred 1847 & Selina 1848 all born leeds Yorkshire. John George married in Oldham in 1843 I have found john george and Alice and their family on the 1851 census and I have found John George on the 1881 census living at Spittlegate on his own in Lincolnshire but nothing else at all. Nothing for him in 1841 nothing for him in 1861 or 1871 Heseems to have vanished. I have looked at surname variants but no luck. I know his daughter Elizabeth emigrated to America with her husband but not sure of the dates all i know is Elizabeth emigrated before 1871 so maybe John george took a trip aswell I just am so tired from looking. CAN ANYONE HELP!!!!!

1861 England Census about Selina Robinson Name: Selina Robinson Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Alice Gender: Female Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Leeds Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: South East Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 176 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Robinson 12 Alice Robinson 34 John Robinson 34 John W Robinson 8 Joseph Robinson 18 Selina Robinson 10 View Original Record View Original Image maybe a possible with mothers maiden name being Robinson

same family in 1871 1871 England Census about Alice Robinson Name: Alice Robinson Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Town: Hunslet County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Alice Robinson 45 John Robinson 45 John William Robinson 19 View Original Record View Original Image

Thanks for that one marie!!! very uncanny as the names are the same but they wern't married until 1843 so they can't be the same family.. but they may be relatives so thanks for that one!!! Wendy

just to let you know Wendy, I'm still looking.

Thanks Marie, It maks me chuckle cause ive looked and looked and looked and now I have square eyes. I know how easy it is to transcribe the wrong name as has happened with Alfred, John george's son. When he grew up and was married with a family himself. He appears as Rinder not pinder and then Alfreds son Harry became transcribed as pender so Iv'e been all over the place with this one. It is difficult because i would like to know what became of the family. Just thought maybe a fresh pair of eyes would be useful Thank you Wendy

have to go out for a while but will check back later.

Wendy I know this is probably a longshot but could they be using Alice's maiden name in 1861? Name: Alice Robinson Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Leeds Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: South East Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 176 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Robinson 12 Alice Robinson 34 John Robinson 34 John W Robinson 8 Joseph Robinson 18 Selina Robinson 10 It looks like Elizabeth married in Utah in 1869, from the IGI... Elizabeth Pinder Female Event(s): Birth: 17 SEP 1845 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Christening: Death: 22 JAN 1899 Washington, Washington, Utah Burial: Parents: Father: John George Pinder F Mother: Alice Robinson Marriages: Spouse: William Case Titt Marriage: 08 DEC 1869 Beaver, Beaver, Utah Georgina.

According to the 1880 US census Elizabeth's husband was twice her age... William C. TITT Self M Male W 70 ENG Works In C. Factory ENG ENG Elizabeth TITT Wife M Female W 35 ENG Keep House ENG ENG Alice TITT Dau S Female W 7 UT ENG ENG Eliza TITT Dau S Female W 4 UT ENG ENG Martha TITT Dau S Female W 2 UT ENG ENG Source Information: Census Place Washington, Washington, Utah Family History Library Film 1255339 NA Film Number T9-1339 Page Number 370A Georgina.

Hi Georgina, Yeah thanks for that one but it cant be the same family as the john & alice you have neither matches the dates of birth plus they are of the same age and that just isn't correct. Alice was born 1825 while John geore was born 1820. Although as far as i'm aware you do have the correct Elizabeth pinder which is john george's & Alice's daughter. She did apparently get married in Utah...Still no John George or alice for 1861 or 1871 though. Although i did find Alfred their son living in 1871 as a lodger in Leeds with a family of Waddington's It seems to pointto them being out of the country between these dates but I have no proof of that and would lkike to know for sure does anyone have access to the US census records at all??? Wendy

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could this be Selina??? 1871 England Census about Selina Kershaw Name: Selina Kershaw Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Amos Gender: Female Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Town: Hunslet County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 92 Household Members: Name Age Albert Edward 5 months Alice Kershaw 3 Amos Kershaw 26 Selina Kershaw 22 Mary Ann Wadsworth 18 Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1866 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference PINDER Selina KERSHAW Amos Holbeck District Registered Building Leeds HOLBECKRB/1/128

Yes I think that is Selina. It will give me something to look at now. I would love anyone to find John George still. Thanks for that Wendy

do you know when his wife Alice died??

Don't know when Alice died no that would be interesting as well as I dont where she died either as Ive lost them on the census. Wendy

Wendy I know the age for John in the 1861 census I found was wrong but is there any chance that John George could have died & Alice remarried a John Robinson & it's him we are seeing in 1861? Marriages Dec 1856 Pinder Alice Leeds 9b 344 Robinson John Leeds 9b 344 Welldrake Rebecca Leeds 9b 344 Whitaker George Leeds 9b 344 UPDATE On the 1861 census I found above, there is an 18 year old Joseph Robinson who is brother-in-law, this could be Alice's brother? Georgina.

Georgina. You most definately have a point and I think you could be correct with the re-marriage. I will definately have to send for the marriage certificate to find out. As for John George though he was still alive as he appears on the 1881 census in Lincolnshire I will let you know Wendy

Georgina, Can I ask how you found the marriage of Alice PInder as I've looked on the birth marriage and death website and she doen't come up at all. Thanks Wendy

Hi Wendy, England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 about John George Pinder Name: John George Pinder Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Year of Registration: 1883 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 64 District: Sheffield County: United Kingdom Volume: 9c Page: 325 (click to see others on page) View Image could this possibly be the one and same John George, all the best sue

Hi Sue. I just sent you a personal reply. Oops!! Just to say thanks I think you could be correct but still puzzled as to why i cant find him on either the 1861 or 1871 census. Wendy