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23rd March 1908 in the district of Pontypridd.

David William Dower DOB 11 Jan 1909, Death Registration Feb 1986, Age at death: 77. Pontypridd, Glamorgen, Vol 27, Page 1283. Trevor Dower DOB 27 Nov 1922, Death Registration: Apr 1994, Age: 71, Pontypridd, Glamorgen, Reg: 69A, Entry No. 80 Elizabeth

where did marriage take place - and when please

Sommeria D Dower 1917 Jun 11a 983 Pontypridd mothers maiden name Mainwaring

You two are brilliant and so kind to take this time out. x I wonder if the family info is slightly wrong and they think that Idris and Caleb are two different people when they are one and the same!

I have got David's birth certificate and his mother's maiden name was Mainwaring and I have her and Edward Dower's marraige cert. Her Dad was David Mainwaring and a witness who signed the certificate was Ceinwen which I've assumed was her mother.

Found this on Ancestry: Idris Caleb Dower, born 29 Aug 1913, died Jan 1985 Manchester Will search for the rest. Elizabeth

RIGHT - Hallelujia! have found david birth - his birth cert will tell you BOTH his parents names, and his mothers maiden name, although we can probably work that out with later births bear with me Name: David William Dower Year of Registration: 1909 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar DISTRICT: Pontypridd County: United Kingdom Volume: 11a Page: 615

These are the dates I've got (from the family) David wlm 1909 died 1986 Vivien - 1921 died ? Maldwyn - 1936 still alive - have asked for info and still waiting Shirley - 1935 still alive Ceinwen 1931 not sure Annie - 1927 still alive Sydney - 1925 died 1980's Trevor - 1923 not sure Ivor 1921 died ? Sophie 1919 died 1990's I think Thomas 1915 died? Johnny 1914 died? Idris 1913 Died? Charles 1912 died? Edward 1910 died? Calab 1914 may have died at birth. Sommera 1916 or 1917 - would ask but she now sadly has dementia so I don't like to!

have looked for the births of the most obvious 3 sommera, vivien, &, maldwyn - and cant even see them. were they older or younger?

Thank you very much for trying Jess. I'll just have to keep nagging away at the family for more details. Thanks again.x

Just found the following on Free BMD: William Edward Dower born 1907 Dec Qtr Pontypridd Edward J. Dower born 1910 Sep Qtr. Pontypridd. I could not find any earlier entries for Pontypridd for these two names. Also searched LDS but also no evidence. Elizabeth

Thanks for looking Elizabeth. The others were David William 1909 (My gt grandfather) thomas, idris, ceinwen, sommera, annie, sydney, john, edward, vivien, sophie, maldwyn, shirley and that's about all I can remember for now. I know a bit about each and have the info but keep drawing a blank on William. I have a marraige certificate for Edward Dower and Blodwen Mainwaring from 23/03/1908 and on it it says William Dower, Collier, deceased. The address on it says 61 Woodfield Tce, Penrhiwceiber.

what were the names of the other 16 ..or some of them any of these? David William Dower 1909 Jan-Feb-Mar Pontypridd United Kingdom Edward J Dower 1910 Jul-Aug-Sep Pontypridd United Kingdom Grace Ann Dower 1892 Jan-Feb-Mar Pontypridd United Kingdom John Dower 1865 Jan-Feb-Mar Pontypridd United Kingdom John Dower 1866 Jan-Feb-Mar Pontypridd United Kingdom William Edward Dower 1907 Oct-Nov-Dec Pontypridd United Kingdom

Sorry searched the Census for Wales and England 1871-1901 can not find William or Edward. Elizabeth

Thanks Jess. Edward J Dower 1910 was my greatgrandfather's brother and there was 17 of em all together. No-one in my family can seem to help me with where William Dower was born except he either came from Australia or emigrated there!

best birth i can find is this - way off your dates though- what is the source of your info please Edward J Dower 1910 Jul-Aug-Sep Pontypridd United Kingdom William Edward Dower 1907 Oct-Nov-Dec Pontypridd United Kingdom . 1871 could this be william pre marriage? Name: William Dower Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Civil parish: Llanover Upper Ecclesiastical parish: Blaenavon Town: Blaenavon County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales

cant see him in 1891 wales census - sorry

Hi, I have got my Gt, gt gt grandfather's name and an approx date of birth but nowt else. Any tips on how I could find anything out. His name was William Dower born around 1860, his son Edward Dower was born in 1888 and lived in Pontypridd area of South Wales.