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Angie Amazing amount of info. Gail has found for you. Impressed is an understatement. Regards Jimbob

just had a look on 91 census there is a robert to match that one son of a robert and rachael

just had a look in the small wallet that my mother in law gave me hadnt noticed it before but the marriage certs there name, robert edward batchelor ,father thomas so the family that you found was right i will check out the pension records though might be some help

Hi Angie I saw that one and did wonder myself, but I did not check back to see if there was a Robert Brown that matched this one on the 1891 census. He could just have easily been fighting in the Boer War and not enumerated on the census. If you can get that 1924 marriage certificate it should say his status on marriage which could give a clue to if he has been married before. I was also thinking he would have been in his 30's during WW1 so could he have a pension record on Ancestry as they have done the 'B's. Do you have any information on his activities during WW1? Gail. x

thanks gail and jimbob joined the 3 day feebie on ancestry been looking for robert found this Name: Robert Brown Age in 1901: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Relation: Prisoner Gender: Male Where born: Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Civil parish: St John Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Cardiff County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Cardiff Sub-registration district: Central Cardiff ED, institution, or vessel: His Majestys Prison Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Household Members: Name Age George Adams 22 Arnold Alexander 64 Robert Walter Bargewell 18 Joseph Barnes 30 Llewellyn Beavan 23 Thomas Bird 19 Charles Boegler 54 Charles Brams 26 Robert Brown 21 Frederick Bush 25 William Coles 37 Jeremiah Collins 31 John Collins 25 Richard Cooper 25 Harold Cornwall 21 Henry Cross 17 Walter Culley 16 John Cummins 25 George Davies 28 Frank Davis 21 Edward Dempsey 24 George Docherty 36 Edward Donovan 35 Sylvester Donovan 25 Michael Doubler 39 Evan Edwards 26 William Ellis 29 Thomas Evans 54 Walter Fleming 30 James Flynn 35 John Flynn 36 John Graham 26 George Greedy 26 Arthur Gwilym 28 John Halloran 28 William Herbert 31 John Hession 27 Thomas Hobbs 22 Patrick Hogan 18 Joseph Hoskings 27 William Hughes 36 Herbert Irwin 28 Abraham Jacobs 62 James James 42 John Jeffreys 27 John Jones 23 John William Jones 42 Joseph Jones 29 Patrick Kelly 29 Thomas Liston 28 Thos Llewellyn 28 William George Llewellyn 21 Jeremiah Lynch 36 Edward Mitchell 23 John Moreland 19 Robert Morris 25 Dennis Murphy 29 George Newton 47 Albert Norris 36 Joseph O Brien 33 Obadiah Palmer 17 William Palmer 38 Loscar Pampento 27 Richard Parr 21 Daniel Price 25 David Price 21 John Pugh 25 George Rees 33 John Ring 15 Alfred Robinson 32 Arthur Sayce 23 George Shannon 23 Jame Smith 23 William Smith 22 Dennis Sullivan 49 James Thomas 30 Owen Thomas 37 William Thomas 20 James Tobin 30 Francis Wallace 56 William Walsh 25 Joan Ward 23 James While 23 John Williams 64 William Williams 17 John Woods 50 Michael Wynne 30 View original image View blank form Save This Record what do you think ? the age matches birth place could be a transcription error, that could be as to why he never spoke about his life before his marraige i do not have the marraige cert pretty sure my sister in law has it though ill try to find out

This is William Brown born 1864 on the 1891 Welsh Census. ( William Brown married Mary Ann Herwig, Q4 1882, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, 6a 269) William Brown Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary A Where born: Clifton, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Llanhilleth Ecclesiastical parish: Llanhilleth Town: Six Bells County/Island: Monmouthshire Florence S Brown 6 Frederick T Brown 1 Mary A Brown 27 Wife, Born Bristol, Glos. William Brown 28 Head, Railway Policeman William C Brown 3 Eliza Herwig 54 Mother in Law James J Herwig 19 Boarder William P Herwig 21 Boarder Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4364; Folio 127; Page 34; GSU roll: 6099474. Birthplaces for above census. Eliza Herwig 1837 Dorchester, Dorset, Mother-in-law James J Herwig 1872 Bristol, Gloucestershire, Boarder William P Herwig 1870 Bedminster, Somerset, Boarder Florence S Brown 1885 Bedminster, Somerset, Daughter Frederick T Brown 1890 Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire, Wales, Son Mary A Brown 1864 Bristol, Gloucestershire, Wife William Brown 1863 Clifton, Gloucestershire, Head William C Brown 1888 Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales Son And William and Mary Ann 1901 Welsh Census Felin Fach? next door to Post Office. William Brown Age in 1901: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary A Where born: Clifton, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Llanhilleth Ecclesiastical parish: Llanhilleth Town: Six Bells County/Island: Monmouthshire Beryl Brown 8 months born Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire, Wales Florence S Brown 16 Frederick T Brown 11 Henry J Brown 8 born Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire, Wales Mary A Brown 37 News Agent. William Brown 38 Railway Signalman and Newsagent William C Brown 13 Colliery Boy Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4947; Folio: 13; Page: 18. It definitely says Railway Policeman for 1891, but it looks like Railway Signalman on the 1901. Gail. x

Is this the one you mean for Charles H Brown on the 1901 Welsh Census Ruperra Castle, The Offices. Charles H Brown Age in 1901: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Boarder Where born: Clifton, Gloucestershire (this is what it says on image, Ancestry has Glamorgan, Wales??) Civil parish: Llanvedw Ecclesiastical parish: Michaelston y Fedw Town: Llanvedw County/Island: Glamorgan Charles H Brown 24 Groom Thomas John Edwards 38 John Lewis 18 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4970; Folio: 180; Page: 9. Gail x

Hi Jimbob That marriage of the parents looks good dosen't it. Gail. x

Hi Angie Just been catching up on your thread and here is the 1901 Welsh Census for Thomas H Brown Thomas H Brown Age in 1901: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Alice Where born: Clifton Bristol, Glamorgan, Wales Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg Ecclesiastical parish: Ystradyfodwg St John County/Island: Glamorgan 40 Tyisha Road Alice Brown 28 Wife, born Warminster, Wiltshire. Edwd Will Brown 3 Son, born Ystrad, Glamorgan Eizth Brown 5 Daughter, born Ystrad, Glamorgan Rosina Brown 1 Daughter, born Ystrad, Glamorgan. Thomas H Brown 30 Head Coal Miner, Hewer. Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 5015; Folio: 97; Page: 10. and the 1891 Welsh Census for Thomas H Brown Thomas H Brown Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Cliffton, Bristol Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg Town: Clydach County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Thomas H Brown 20 Haulier to Hay Merchant Charlie Wride 16 Elize Ethel Wride 4 Frank Wride 29 Frank E Wride 6 Mary Wride 23 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4425; Folio 53; Page 37; GSU roll: 6099535. Gail. x

Angie Where have you found Thomas H Brown plus wife and Charles H. Brown ? Regarding Ancestry.... the info. that I have found is taken from Ancestry Free BMD.... you just need to register with that section and it is genuinely free access to Births/Marraiges/Deaths between 1837 and 1983. Google - Ancestry Free BMD and choose 2nd on list and then choose Complete Index 1837 - 1983 on Home page. Regards - Jimbob

hi jimbob i have no access to ancestry was wondering if you could help ? have found his brothers thomas h brown b 1871 clifton bristol residing in wales (glamorgan) wifes name alice, and think its his brother charles h brown b 1880 clifton , but hes transribed as b 1877 clifton glamorgan. pretty sure edward (robert) is there too but both names are coming . angie

thanks jimbob i too found the marraige it was the only one that seemed to matchbut was still unsure .my mother in law said when her father married her mother he was aged 43 and she was 24 i have found the marriage for that in aberystwith in 1924 iwas thinking about looking on the wales 1901 census for him as hes not on the england one im presuming at the age of 43 that hed been married before begining to wonder if she has any step brothers and sisters ? angie

Angie May have found the Marraige of Thomas Brown & Sarah ( parents of Edward R. Brown - b. 1881 ) MARRAIGE - ??? Thomas Brown & Sarah Doel 31 Jan 1861 - St. Andrews, Clifton, Gloucester. All their children were born in Clifton, Gloucestershire according to 1881 Census info. that Gail found for you. On the Transcript of said Census it states that one of the sons is called William Brown - aged 17 in 1881 so parents marraige would be before 1864 or 1863. What do you think ? Found the info. on a genuine parish record on IGI Family search. Regards - Jimbob ps - ask Gail what she thinks of this possible marraige.

Just as a follow on this is the above family in 1871 1871 Sarah Brown Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Thomas Where born: Frome, Somerset, England Civil parish: Clifton Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton Town: Bristol Annie Brown 4 Elizabeth Brown 3 Sarah Brown 29 Thomas Brown 31 Lodging House Keeper, Born Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire. William Brown 7 Elizabeth Giles 14 Servant Ellen Parsons 19 Servant Ann Rawling 23 Servant Edward Thelwnall 32 Boarder Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2539; Folio: 29; Page: 50; GSU roll: 835261. Gail.

Is this his birth registration? Edward Robert Brown 1881 Q1 Barton Regis, Gloucestershire Volume: 6a Page: 64 Clifton does come under Barton Regis registration district. Gail. x

Angie Just confirming what Gail has found on 1881 Census which shows Edward Robert Brown as 3 months of age. Have done search on Ancestry FreeBMD for 1881 and there is a birth for an Edward Robert Brown as follows - BIRTH - Edward Robert Brown - 1881 BARTON REGIS - Q1 - vol.6a, p64 As 1881 Census was taken 3 April it means that Edward was probably born January 1881. What do you think ? I think that Gail has found the correct Edward and also you now have his parents names. Jimbob

Hi Angie Sorry posted 1891 above, mother Sarah is a widow. Gail. x

A possible on 1881, But you could do with the full birth certificate to confirm parents names. Edward R. Brown Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Sarah Where born: Bristol Clifton Civil parish: Clifton County/Island: Gloucestershire Street address: 9 Waterloo Place Registration district: Barton Regis Sub-registration district: Clifton Annie Brown 14 Born Clifton, Bristol Charles H. Brown 1 Born Clifton, Bristol, ..........Edward R. Brown 3 months old Elizabeth Brown 13 Born Clifton, Bristol Sarah Brown 39 Born Frome, Somerset. Thomas Brown 42 Greengrocer. Born Thorpe, Leicestershire. Thomas H. Brown 10 Born Clifton, Bristol. William Brown 17 Assistant Greengrocer, Born Clifton, Bristol. Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2483; Folio: 71; Page: 46; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341598. 1891 Sarah Brown Age: 49 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relation: Head Where born: Froome, Somerset, England Civil parish: Clifton Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew Town: Bristol County/Island: Gloucestershire Street address: 7 Burnswick Place Registration district: Barton Regis Sub-registration district: Clifton .............Robert Brown 10 Sarah Brown 49 Widow, no occupation. Sarah English 67 Lodger Emma Thomas 66 Lodger Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1967; Folio 10; Page 13; GSU roll: 6097077. Gail.

that sounds like him as he would have been about 3 months old

thank you gail hes showing up under robert in 91 are the parents the same names