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There is this marriage on Tees Valley Indexes:- Annie E. Thomas to Thomas W. Colmer in 1887 in Stockton on Tees. The reference is Sept. qtr. 1887, Stockton, 10a 138 Kath. x

You're welcome Mel. I'm off to bed now. If I can do anything else just PM me. Dianne xx

i will have to go to the church and find out god this is mad!! no wounder we could not find him.. thank you all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Legal adoptions didn't come into being until the 1920's. Before that people just took in each others kids and brought them up as their own. ps - Living next door at number 47 are: John Colmer M 27 Labourer in Iron Works born Stockton Ellen Colmer Wife 21 born Jarrow Thomas Colmer Son 1 born Middlesbrough Dianne xx

Adoptions weren't registered until 1927, so I don't think it would be an official adoption. Often members of the family or neighbours would take in a child. My own aunt was brought up by neighbours when my grandmother died when my aunt was just 6 weeks old. This was after 1927, but all she has is a letter signed by her father and the neighbour saying they both agreed to the arrangement. Kath. x

will the registry office beable to tell me if he was adopted or not? thank you all you are all so kind..Mel

Dianne, I think you are right. Here is the birth reference:- Richard Garvey June qtr, 1895, Middlesbrough, 9d, 573 This will give his real parents names. Update - Sorry - should have refreshed before adding - you already have this from Dianne. Kath. x

thanks for that last replie funny you should find that as we think his daughter was adopted? thank you Mel

Richard's birth reference. The certificate will show his birth parent/s Garvey Richard June quarter 1895, Middlesbrough, 9d 573 Dianne xx

The marriage took place during WW! so Richard could have been born anywhere. Not sure what the legal age for marriage was at this time. Maureen

No, the marriage certificate won't tell you where he was born, but will hopefully give you his father's name and you can then look for the family in the 1901 census. Kath. x

Sorry I don't know how to copy and paste but I looked up Colmer, Yorkshire in 1901. There were 15 of them. I found this info 45 Queen Mary Street Middlesbrough Annie E Colmer M 28 born Stockton Durham Richard Garvey 5 Adopted Son born Middlesbrough Yorkshire Annie is described as married, but there's no husband in the household. I'd like to bet that this is your Richard. Maybe (or maybe not) he changed his name officially to Colmer later than 1901. Just a thought. Dianne xx

thank you alll for that sounds like annie was born in middlesbrough but richard was born else where will the marrage certificate tell us where he was born? Mel

The marriage certificate that Maureen has found for you should give you his father's name and occupation, and you might be lucky and find siblings as witnesses. With his father's name you can check the 1901 census again. Kath. x

Marriages Jun 1915 Colmer Richard McGuire Annie Middlesbro 9d 1512 You will have to get the marriage cert. Maureen

Could the name be Annie Mc(G)uire rather than Mc(Q)uire? There is this one in Middlesbrough:- Name: Annie McGuire Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1895 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Jane Gender: Female Where born: Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Middlesbrough Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Middlesborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 37 Cooper Street Occupation: Father is an Iron Works Labourer Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Middlesbrough Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough ED, institution, or vessel: 42 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 249 Household Members: Name Age Annie McGuire 6 Jane McGuire 31 Margret McGuire 3 Margret McGuire 19 Matthew McGuire 4 Thomas McGuire 31 Thomas McGuire 1 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4579; Folio: 49; Page: 40 Kath. x

1901 Annie E McQuire Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Relation: Daughter Father's name: George Mother's name: Sarah H Gender: Female Where born: Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hunslet Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 36 Household Members: Name Age Annie E McQuire 9 Doris McQuire 3 Emily McQuire 7 Ethel McQuire 5 George McQuire 45 Phylis McQuire 8 months Sarah H McQuire 36 or Annie McQuire Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1898 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Eliza M Gender: Female Where born: Masbrough, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Rotherham Ecclesiastical parish: Rotherham All Saints County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Rotherham Sub-registration district: South East Rotherham ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 222 Household Members: Name Age Alice McQuire 19 Annie McQuire 3 Eliza M McQuire 38 Florrie McQuire 7 John McQuire 5 months Joseph McQuire 15 Willie McQuire 5 Enoch Williams 32 cousin Ezekiel Williams 74 visitor

Where are you getting the year of birth from? I've checked on Ancestry and there is no Richard Colmer born 1895 anywhere, and no birth on the Tees Valley Indexes for that year. Kath. x

yeh just checked and its def middlesbrough cleveland? i am also looking for a annie mcquire born in middlesbrough, cleveland in 1895? can you help? thank you mel xx

1901 only Richard but in cornwall Richard Colmer Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1894 Relation: Son Father's name: Samuel Mother's name: Patience Gender: Male Where born: Millbrook, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Millbrook Ecclesiastical parish: Millbrook County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Germans Sub-registration district: Anthony ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 169 Household Members: Name Age Florence Colmer George Colmer 8 John Colmer 3 Patience Colmer 41 Richard Colmer 7 Samuel Colmer 41 Thomas Colmer 5 William Colmer 10