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Strange.
I clicked on the link and tge page opened straight away,

Hello, that is so interesting about the two mourners from Liverpool, I wish they had given their names. I can't access the Find a Grave site. I have tried and each time I search in, nothing comes up - or a blank screen.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/276621241/winifred-buckeridge

I wonder if the 2 mourners from Liverpool who declined to give their names, were members of the Pye family.

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Bridge Street, Pembridge, Herefordshire, England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Wilhelmina Eliza Sainsbury Head
Female 1848 72 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Winifred Buckeridge Adopted daughter
Female 1893 28 Bootle, Lancashire, England Dressmaker & Millier Own Account
Hilda Mary Buckeridge Granddaughter
Female 1918 3 Hereford, Herefordshire, England -

This is such a sad story which appears to be very complicated. There are many newspaper reports so I would advise, if you can, to take out a subscription to a site where you can view the papers.


He suggests it was all down to Wilhelmina. Winifred was shot in the chest whilst holding her 4 year old daughter, and did not die immediately. LANCASHIRE EVENING POST 5 Jan 1923

Articles mention that he did not want to divorce his wife and would forgive her everything if she would go back to him.

At the inquest Eliza Howell, Wilhelmina's sister, said Winifred was married to George at the Registry Office in 1916 and during part of this time he was at war. Eliza stayed with Winifred from June to Oct 1917 at 26 Commercial Rd, Hereford where George had his bookbinding business. Wilhelmina was nursing an old lady in Broxwood at this time. The Buckeridges were then married in the RC Church as George was Catholic and his mother wanted Winifred to join. LIVERPOOL EVENING EXPRESS 1 Jan 1923

George had come to the village looking for his wife the previous year but Wilhelmina had stopped him entering the house. He was described as a man of fine physique, a good footballer and had won a local beauty competition once.
He was very calm after the shootings and threw the gun in the street before being arrested. His wife could not be removed to hospital and died 12 hours later. They had been seperated since the war. LIVERPOOL DAILY POST 1 Jan 1923

LIVERPOOL EVENING EXPRESS 9 Feb 1923 This is quite a damning piece at the inquest. He accuses his wife of ruining his life and that he would 'spare the baby.'

LIVERPOOL EVENING EXPRESS 5 Jan 1923 George had been going around asking if his wife had been with another man as he was wanting to divorce her. No one wanted to get involved 'in matters between man and wife.' He said he had 'tried to control his wife in every way and it was the little kiddy he thought so much of. He also said he had never shown her how much he loved her.'

WESTERN MAIL 1 Jan 1923 ' Buckeridge, the accused man, is a native of Hereford, aged about 33 years. He was apprenticed to the book binding business and eventually set up a business on his own account, married a girl who was serving as a waitress in one of the Hereford refreshment houses, taught her to assist him in his work, and the parties appeared to have lived happily together until Buckeridge joined the army. He served in France and on his demobilisation returned to his wife. Difficulties then occurred which resulted in the parties separating and they have not lived together for some time. Buckeridge has been working in different parts of the country of late years and Mrs Buckeridge, with her little girl and foster mother, went to live at Pembridge about 3 years ago.'

PORTSMOUTH EVENING NEWS 17 Feb 1923 George was appealing on the grounds of misdirection by Mr Justice Avory, respecting evidence of insanity.

GLOUCESTER CITIZEN 21 Feb 1923 an appeal has been largely signed in Hereford. The jury at his trial had recommended mercy as his state of mind over his unhappy marriage had been preying on him and he was not mentally normal.


His appeal was dismissed but was granted in March.

The Hereford Journal 24 Feb actually printed a petition that could be cut out and sent to a solicitor or left at the 'Journal's' office to be forwarded, to appeal to the King for mercy. There was great public sympathy for 'the unfortunate man.'

This petition possibly saved his life.


There are many more articles.

Honestly I can't thank you enough. I posted as a shot in the dark after a frustrating weekend attempting to use AI to help my research (don't ask!) and after years of not getting anywhere and looking in all the wrong places - I wish you could have seen my dad tonight. You've given us the answers we have been searching for, for years. True, thank you.

It makes the researching so very worth while when we get a response like yours Anna :-)

:-) :-) :-) :-)

Oh where do I start with thanking you? I have just seen all these messages and my dad came round and we hugged. THANK YOU so, so very much. Years and years of not knowing and this is definitely the solution. You have made us cry with happiness. I cannot thank you enough for your kindness and care and for searching and finding this out and taking the time to read my post. Winifred was my dad's grandmother (or would have been) and her daughter Hilda was my nana (who I loved very much). The story is very tragic and I didn't find out until I was 16 and it was in the local paper as an archive story. You have made my dad an incredibly happy man (that is an understatement). From the top and bottom of my heart, thank you. Now to go and link in with the Pye family perhaps.

Obituary in the Blackpool Gazette, Friday, June 2nd 1893

Pye - May 24th 1893, Amy Agnes Pye the beloved daughter of Nathan and Ellen Pye, aged 19 years. Interred in the family grave, Anfield Cemetery, Liverpool, May 27th.

:-(

A son of Winifred, nee Bowden........from a tree on Ancestry

James Mawdesley Smith
Birth 23 Mar 1932 • Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Death Nov 1989 • Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

SMITH, JAMES MAWDESLEY BOWDEN
GRO Reference: 1932 D Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 555

SMITH, JAMES 1932
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/1989 in BIRKENHEAD (0371A) Volume 37 Page 613

That sounds very likely.

Arthur and Wilhelmina in 1891 and then 1901.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
7, Durham Road, Litherland, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Arthur Sanisbury Head
Married Male 48 1843 Commerical clerk Bath, Somerset, England
Wilhelmina E Sanisbury Wife
Married Female 42 1849 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Alice Sanisbury Sister
Single Female 45 1846 Living on her own means Seacombe, Cheshire, England



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
38, Highfield Street, Broughton, Salford, Lancashire, England
Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Arthur Sainsbury Head
Married Male 58 1843 Shopkeeper newsagent Bath, Somerset, England
Wilhelmina E Sainsbury Wife
Married Female 52 1849 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Winifred Sainsbury Daughter
- Female 7 1894 - Bootle, Lancashire, England
Alice Sainsbury Sister
Single Female 55 1846 Teacher of music Seacombe, Cheshire, England


The Liverpool Weekly Courier of 29 Mar 1890 reports Arthur of being from Waterloo when he marries Wilhelmina on 25 Mar.

On 3 Jan 1893, the Liverpool Mercury reports the birth of a stillborn son to the wife of Arthur Sainsbury of 10 Bath St, Waterloo on 31 Dec (would have been 1892)


Wonder if this is connected to the adoption?

Name James Mawdesley Smith
Marriage Age 35
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1894
Marriage Date 30 Sep 1929
Marriage Place Wallasey, Brighton Street Methodist Church, Cheshire, England
Father William Thomas Smith
Spouse Winifred Bowden
Father Arthur Bowden

Name James Mawdesley Smith
Military Year 1914-1920
Rank Sergeant
Company WO 329
Regiment or Corps Labour Corps
Regiment Number 621179
Medal Awarded British War Medal and Victory Medal

1921 Census Of England & Wales
16, Garden Road, Wallasey, Cheshire, England
William Thomas Smith Head Male 1868 52 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Insurance Agent City Lose Ass Co London
Rose Hannah Smith Wife Female 1870 50 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Home Duties -
James Mawdesly Smith Son Male 1893 27 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Time Keeper Harland & Woolt Liverpool
Elsie Smith Daughter Female 1899 21 New Brighton, Cheshire, England Clerk & Typist M Tinsburg Corfs Building Lpool
Frank Reginald Smith Son Male 1902 18 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Apprentice Engineer Cammce Sand & Co Birkenhead
Constance Ena Smith Daughter Female 1908 12 Stone, Staffordshire, England - -

Amy's sister

Name Rose Emma Witeombe Pye
[Rose Emma Witcombe Pye]
Gender Female
Marital Status Single
Marriage Age 25
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1875
Marriage Date 30 Sep 1900
Marriage Place Stockport Saint Mary, England
Father Nathan Pye
Spouse Arthur Bowden
Description Stockport, St. Mary. Marriages
Page number 210

1921 Census Of England & Wales
119, Rake Lane, Wallasey, Cheshire, England
Arthur Bowden Head Male 1877 44 Stockport, Cheshire, England Fish & Fruit Dealer Employer
Rose Emma Whitcombe Bowden Wife Female 1876 44 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Winifred Bowden Daughter Female 1903 18 Manchester, Lancashire, England Fish & Fruit Dealers Assistant Arthur Bowden, 120 Rake Lane, Wallasey


Name Rose E W Bowden
Death Age 84
Birth Date abt 1875
Registration Date 1959
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Crosby
Inferred County Lancashire
Volume 8c
Page 60

1939 Register
1 Saltcotes Road, Lytham St Anne's, Lytham St Anne's M.B., Lancashire, England
Arthur Bowden 26 May 1877 Male Master Grocer Married 122 1
Rose E W Bowden 05 Sep ? Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 122 2
James M Smith 19 Feb 1894 Male Incapacitated Married 122 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.

Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
Bowden Winifred Smith Birkenhead 8a 1647
Smith James M Bowden Birkenhead 8a 1647

Amy's brother DoB 28 April 1871

Name Herbert Wyatt Pye
Trial Age 22
Birth Date abt 1871
Trial Date 4 Nov 1893
Trial Place Chester, Cheshire, England
Occupation Hosier
Charge Carnal
Sentence Discharged

Name Herbert Wyatt Pye
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Marriage Age 25
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1872
Marriage Date 2 Mar 1897
Marriage Place Stockport Saint Mary, England
Father Nathan Pye
Spouse Emily Platt
Description Stockport, St. Mary. Marriages
Page number 9


Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
Pye Emily 32 Stockport 8a 63

First name(s) Herbert Wyatt
County Cheshire
Last name Pye
Country England
Sex Male
Registration district Stockport
Birth year 1871
Registration district number 443
Age 40
Sub-district Stockport First
Age as transcribed 40
Sub-district number 4
Marital status Widower
Enumeration district number 25
Occupation Joiner
Archive series RG14
Employment status WORKER 4
Piece number 21373
Birth place Liverpool Lancs
Schedule 195
Birth place as transcribed Liverpool Lancs
Census reference RG14PN21373 RG78PN1271 RD443 SD4 ED25 SN195
Full address 23 Higher Hillgate Stockport, Stockport, Cheshire, England
RG 78 piece number 1271
Address 23 Higher Hillgate Stockport


First name(s) Herbert Wyatt
County Lancashire
Last name Pye
Country England
Year 1919
Type of record Register of Electors
Address Radnor Street
Archive Greater Manchester County Record Office
House number 143
Archive reference F352.042M45
Location Hulme
Record set Greater Manchester Electoral Registers 1820-1940
Sub district Hulme
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Borough Manchester
Collections from Great Britain, England
Full address Hulme, Lancashire, England

This family is in two trees on GR.....one with a fairly recent membership number

BUT...........they don't include Winifred. Probably unaware of her existence

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
74, Cookson Street, Layton with Warbreck, Fylde, Lancashire, England

Nathan Rye Head Married Male 61 1830 Licenced victualler Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England
Ellen Rye Wife Married Female 55 1836 - Lancashire, England
Herbert W Rye Son Single Male 20 1871 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Amy Annes Rye Daughter Single Female 17 1874 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Rose Emm Rye Daughter Single Female 16 1875 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Annis A L Banley Servant Single Female 27 1864 Actress Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Susannah M Even Servant Married Female 38 1853 Corn Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Villiers Lodger Married Male 28 1863 Actor London, Middlesex, England
N Villiers Lodger Married Female 21 1870 Actress London, Middlesex, England

Deaths Mar 1904 (>99%)
Pye Nathan 74 Stockport 8a 59

Name Amy Agnes Pye
Baptism Date 29 Nov 1874
Baptism Place Liverpool, St Anne, Lancashire, England
Father Nathan Pye
Mother Ellen Pye

Name Amy Agnes Pye
Age 19
Record Type Burial
Birth Date abt 1874
Death Date abt 1893
Burial Date 27 May 1893
Burial Place Merseyside, England
Cemetery Anfield Cemetery
Cemetery Section Church of England