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Elizabeth Harper & Harry Joseph Roberts

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Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 17 May 2026 16:13

Is there any proof they arrived in 1904? I have a Lilian Roberts Harper born in Cleethorpes March 1905. Initially assumed she could be Elizabeth’s daughter. Will order the birth certificate.
Thanks again

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 17 May 2026 17:08

Info found by googling

From 1901 arrival years were added to census returns.

Until 1908 emigrants that arrived in American ports on their way to Canada were not recorded at the border.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 May 2026 17:41

To check whether the mother was married, look at the birth on the GRO site. If no MMN recorded, she wasn’t

But if Elizabeth migrated in 1904…………….

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 17 May 2026 17:48

I did check it out on GRO and no mother’s maiden name. Like you say if migrated 1904. Think Lilian is still one of my lot though. As most Harper’s in Cleethorpes are at that time.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 May 2026 17:51

1921 census says Harry and Elizabeth immigrated in 1904.

Harry Roberts
in the 1921 Census of Canada
Name Harry Roberts
Gender Male
Racial or Tribal Origin English
Nationality Canada
Marital Status Married
Age 39
Birth Year abt 1882 [abt 1882]
Birth Place England
Year of Immigration 1909 [ 1904 mistranscribed ]
Residence Date 1 Jun 1921
House Number 178
Parish 2670 Danforth
Residence Street or Township 2670 Danforth
Residence City, Town or Village Toronto City
Residence District York South
Residence Province or Territory Ontario
Residence Country Canada
Relation to Head of House Head
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Roberts
Father Birth Place England
Mother Birth Place England
Can Speak English? Yes
Can Speak French? No
Religion Church Of England
Can Read? Yes
Can Write? Yes
Months at School X4-00
Employment Type 3 Own Account
Nature of Work Own Shop B
Municipality Ward 8
Enumeration District 144
Sub-District Toronto (City)
Sub-District Number 48
Home Owned or Rented Owned
Monthly Rental BB
Class of House Row or Terrace
Materials of Construction Brick
Number of Rooms 6
Enumerator John Camest Holhs
District Description Ward 1, Polling Subdivision No.166 and 167
Neighbors
Line Number 40
Family Number 186
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Harry Roberts 39 Head
Elizabeth Roberts 38 Wife
William Roberts 12 Son



And 1911 says 1900 for Harry and 1901 for Elizabeth :

H J Roberts
in the 1911 Census of Canada
Name H J Roberts
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Race or Tribe English
Nationality Canadian
Age 30
Birth Date Feb 1881
Birth Place England
Census year 1911
Relation to Head of House Head
Immigration Year 1900
Dwelling No. 6
Province Ontario
District York South
District Number 138
Sub-District 20 - East Toronto
Sub-District Number 20
Place of Habitation 1582 Dunfort
Religion Anglican
Occupation Hanups none [ Harness maker ]
Employer yes
Employee yes
Works at Nore
Life Insurance 1000
Insurance Cost 32.00
Can Read yes
Can Write yes
Language English E
Family Number 6
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
H J Roberts 30 Head
Elizabeth Roberts 29 Wife
Edith Roberts 6 Son [ Albert mistranscribed ]
William Roberts 3 Son

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 May 2026 18:31

Lizzie is still with her parents Robert and Mary Jane in Cleethorpes in 1901.

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 20 May 2026 13:12

Just received birth certificate for Lilian Roberts Harper born 1905. Elizabeth is definitely her mother as same address 3 Segmere Street. So she couldn’t have gone to Canada in 1904???

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 May 2026 13:31

What is Lilian's exact DOB? (In Apr/May/June qr 1905)

Elizabeth must have travelled to Canada between that date and Albert Henry's birth in Ontario on 24 June 1906.

However, I can't see any record of that on Ancestry, either as Harper or as Roberts.



Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 20 May 2026 13:56

11th March 1905.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 20 May 2026 14:29

Eliz Roberts,,,,,,,,,
Gender Female
Departure Age 22
Birth Date abt 1883
[abt 1883]
Departure Date 3 Aug 1905
Departure Port England
Ship Name Virginia
Shipping Line Allan Line
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Search for the Virginia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Destination Port Montreal, Canada
Master A H Virprude


traveled ---- as Wife and an infant named Lillian,just these two listed.

?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 May 2026 16:47

Good one, Kay!

Mrs Eliz Roberts
in the Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name Mrs Eliz Roberts
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Arrival Age 22
Birth Date abt 1883 [abt 1883]
Birth Place Engd
Arrival Date 10 Aug 1905
Arrival Port Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Final Destination Toronto Ont.
Ship Virginian
Occupation Harmas Maker [ Harness maker ] <<<<<


Image is very faint and hard to read.

Travelling with infant Lil*.
Going from Lincoln to Toronto.
"Going to husband".

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 May 2026 16:51

Lilian Roberts
in the Ontario, Canada, Deaths and Deaths Overseas, 1869-1953
Name Lilian Roberts
Gender Female
Death Age 0
Birth Date abt 1905
Birth Place England
Death Date 11 Oct 1905
Death Place Ontario, Ontario, Canada
Religion Methodist
Cause of Death Diarrhea

Age 7 months.
Address: 16 Mill Street.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 May 2026 17:28

Harry must have emigrated between approx May/June 1904 and August 1905.

Megs Dicky Island

Megs Dicky Island Report 20 May 2026 17:28

Thank you.