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ErikaH
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10 Feb 2026 18:35 |
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Could be………get copies of the certs to find out for certain
Did you notice the post saying that the 1938 birth was definitely NOT your relative’s child? Also the info about Joan's possible child?
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Ian
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10 Feb 2026 18:11 |
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ErikaH, Could these be Meriel 's kids? Name Janet Gough Registration Date Jul 1941 [Aug 1941] [Sep 1941] Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District Cheltenham Inferred County Gloucestershire Mother's Maiden Name Hill Volume Number 6a Page number 801
Name John Gough Registration Date Oct 1942 [Nov 1942] [Dec 1942] Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District Cheltenham Inferred County Gloucestershire Mother's Maiden Name Hill Volume Number 6a Page number 652
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ErikaH
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9 Feb 2026 11:54 |
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Name Muriel Bessie Hill Gender Female Marriage Age 25 Record Type Marriage Birth Date abt 1912 Marriage Date 5 Jun 1937 Marriage Place St Paul, Surrey, England Father George Alexander Hill Spouse Kenneth Harry Gough.....age 26 Father Thomas William Gough
1939 Register 7 Mount Road, Hendon, Hendon M.B., Middlesex, England Muriel Bessie Gough 27 Apr 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 6 1 Kenneth H Gough 03 Nov 1910 Male Chief Cashier To A Property Company Married 6 2
Name Kenneth Harry Gough Death Age 84 Birth Date 3 Nov 1910 Registration Date Nov 1994 Registration District Harlow Inferred County Essex Register Number 13B District and Subdistrict 4721B Entry Number 268
Name Muriel Bessie Gough Residence Year 1946 Parliamentary Division Cirencester and Tewkesbury Residence Place Gloucestershire, England
Name Mrs Muriel Bessie Gough Departure Place Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia Arrival Date 13 Nov 1961 Arrival Place Melbourne, Australia Vessel Iberia + Husband and two sons - Hugh Jeremy & Christopher Going to 13 Liverpool Street, North Geelong, Vic.
Name Muriel Bessie Gough Gender Female Electoral Date 1963 Electoral Place Drysdale, Corio, Victoria, Australia
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ErikaH
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9 Feb 2026 11:40 |
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HILL, WALTER CUTHBERT DOWLING GRO Reference: 1915 D Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 497
Hill Walter Cuthbert 1915 1971 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Croydon, Surrey, England
Marriages Jun 1942 (>99%) Hill Walter C Spiller Croydon 2a 2069 Spiller Kate Hill Croydon 2a 2069 Spiller Lena Hill Croydon 2a 2069
Numerous possible offspring.........................look at freebmd for details
1939 Register 9 Mosedale Street, Camberwell, Southwark, Camberwell, London, England
Kate Spiller 17 Oct 1875 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 78 1 Lena K Hill (Spiller) 08 Mar 1918 Female Bottle Filler Patent Ma? Single 78 2
Deaths 1989 (>99%) HILL LENA KATE 8MY1918 CROYDON 11 1686
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ArgyllGran
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8 Feb 2026 16:36 |
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CORRECTION:
James 1938 was NOT a son of George and Joan.
These were his parents:
Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%) Hill James E Murray E.Stonehouse 5b 785 Murray Florence E Hill E.Stonehouse 5b 785
In the early 1960s, before his marriage in 1967 in Lambeth, he was living with his parents at 20 Oxford Close, Mitcham. That was still his mother's address when she died in 1994.
I can't see her in 1939 so far. Born 1906 in Hong Kong - approx February. Aged 15 years 4 months in 1921.
After his marriage, James and his wife also lived in Mitcham. ERs list them together in Mitcham until at least 2008, and he died in Mitcham.
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ErikaH
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8 Feb 2026 13:10 |
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Name Michael D Farrell Electoral Date 1959 Street Address 27 Gordon Ward or Division/Constituency London and Westminster County or Borough City of London, England Also at the address Joan H Farrell
In 1960, still together at 26, Nash House, Westminster
Michael may have re-married in 1970
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ErikaH
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7 Feb 2026 21:45 |
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The child would be a CLOSED entry and there are NONE with either George or Joan in 1939, where both of them are with their mothers - as I said earlier
There is NO record in England /Wales of a second marriage for him to anyone
That 1939 for George was posted on page one of this thread!
Get his death certificate for name of informant, which may - or may not - prove useful.
Joan, nee Murray, almost certainly had a child with second husband in 1947.......
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Ian
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7 Feb 2026 21:02 |
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Unlikely he would marry another Murray? Certificates for kids would clear this up
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Ian
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7 Feb 2026 20:58 |
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Here is George with his mother and brothers, 1939, no sign of wife Joan and baby James, he would not show on here anyway
Name George A F Hill Gender Male Marital Status Married Birth Date 31 Jul 1900 Residence Date 1939 Address 5 Residence Place Croydon, Surrey, England Occupation Law Clerk Line Number 6 Schedule Number 187 Sub Schedule Number 3 Enumeration District Clbt Borough Croydon Registration District 39-1 Household Members (Name) Gender Birth Year Jessie L Hill Female 1874 Walter C Hill Male 1915 George A F Hill Male 1900
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ErikaH
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7 Feb 2026 20:17 |
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Joan re-married in 1942………….
Her ex may have fathered children with someone not yet identified
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7 Feb 2026 20:09 |
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1938 Croydon 1950 Croydon 1953 Croydon Sorry, I cannot give names, maybe I am wrong, family have photo's
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ErikaH
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7 Feb 2026 18:40 |
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The 1938 one would be a closed record in 1939, and there are NO children with either George or Joan on the Register. They are each with their mothers.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Feb 2026 17:10 |
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Marriages Mar 1937 (>99%) Hill George A F Murray Westminster 1a 986 Murray Joan H Hill Westminster 1a 986
There are no obvious births of children.
Maybe this one, though I don't see him in 1939:
Births Mar 1938 (>99%) Hill James M Murray Croydon 2a 983
???? HILL, JAMES MURRAY 1938 GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2022 in WANDSWORTH (256-1E) Entry Number 524618933
CORRECTION -
NO, NOT a child of George and Joan. See post on 8 Feb at 16:36
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ErikaH
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7 Feb 2026 16:26 |
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NO children shown in 1939, and she re-married in 1942 - IF I have the right woman, of course, about which I’m fairly confident
Do you know the names and birthplaces of the children?
Perhaps the children were from a later relationship?
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Ian
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7 Feb 2026 16:13 |
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This is the brother of Reg George Alexander Frederick Hill, in my tree, who married Joan in 1937, and went on to have three children
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ErikaH
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7 Feb 2026 14:11 |
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George A F's wife in 1939 (Her maiden name was Murray)
1939 Register 80 Cambridge Street, Belgravia, City Of Westminster, City of Westminster, London, England Helen Murray 18 Jan 1878 Female Domestic Duties Widowed 467 1 Maimie Drummond 08 Sep 1901 Female Catering Widowed 467 2 Gerc Krishirsky 05 Sep 1893 Male Production Manager (Films) Married 467 3 Joan H Farrell (Hill) 14 Jan 1908 Female Bookkeeper Married 467 4 Arthur W Weare 19 Jul 1877 Male Builder's Clerk Single 467 5
Name George A F Hill Death Age 63 Birth Date abt 1901 Registration Date 1964 Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Registration District Dartford Inferred County Kent Volume 5b Page 369
Name Joan H Hill Registration Date 1942 Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District Westminster Inferred County Middlesex Spouse Michael D Farrell Volume Number 1a Page number 853
Births Mar 1908 (>99%) Murray Joan Helen Wandsworth 1d 677
Name Joan H Farrell Death Age 58 Birth Date abt 1908 Registration Date 1966 Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Registration District Westminster Inferred County Greater London Volume 5e Page 820
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ErikaH
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7 Feb 2026 13:29 |
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Above as per my (much less informative) post yesterday 13:13, but NOT the parents of Reginald and his siblings. Eliminates that record, at least
Marriages Sep 1899 (>99%) DOWLING Jessie Louisa Holborn 1b 1441 HILL George Alexander Holborn 1b 1441 (as per OP info)
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Jink20
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7 Feb 2026 12:46 |
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Same Family ??
101362 George Hill
Birth 1876 Entered RFC - 17 Oct 1917 aged 41 years 6 months old Entered RAF - 1 April 1918
Stationer (previously joiner)
Married 4 Oct 1897 at Wallsend 5'10,1/2" NOK Jessie Hill, "High View " Wallsend on Tyne
Margaret 24/09/1898 Jessie Brook 10/04/1904 Mary 25/07/1906 Thomas Parker 24/11/1908 George 23/03/1911 Elsie 22/10/1912
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ArgyllGran
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7 Feb 2026 09:28 |
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As well as your Reginald who was born at the end of 1906 and therefore not registered until 1907, there were three other Reginald Ernest Hill births registered actually in 1906 in England - Hastings, St Thomas, and Norwich. See FreeBMD.
Those three would all have been 55 by Jul-Sep 1961, whereas yours wouldn't have been 55 until later in the year. That's assuming the age stated in 1921 is correct - but the age stated at death depends on what the informant believes.
However - The one registered in Hastings died in infancy (died Dec 1906, registered 1907). The one in Norwich also died in infancy (1906). The one in St Thomas, Devon died in 2006-2007 (registered 2007).
The Samford (Ipswich) death may well be your Reginald - good luck!
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7 Feb 2026 08:50 |
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Erika pointed out thst there was a local man of thst name and similar age. You have done better by contacting the Ancestry tree ‘owner’ thst gave an Ipswich death.
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