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I've edited the thread title in case anyone is looking for Watson Clark in future.

Or Watson Greenwell!

:-D :-D :-D

Thanks for that AG...enjoyed getting to use the old grey matter on something complicated like that, too bad they're not part of your family and if someone else is searching for that family in the future, they may have problems.

And I see you like a mystery as well ErikaH :-D

ADDED:

No, Dorothy 1921 is not Dorothy's daughter - she's Hilda's, and Watson's twin!

I thought it was far too much of a coincidence that young Dorothy and Watson should have the same birth date, so got her digital birth cert.

Dorothy was born at 1130, and Watson at 1215.

Dorothy senior must have "adopted" her, as the alternative surname Harper is on the 1942 marriage record.
Maybe Dorothy senior also looked after Watson.

Or maybe the Greenwells "adopted" him, hence his listing with their name in 1939.

Excellent! Thanks, Alviegal and ErikaH.

1921 must have been a bad year for Hilda's parents.

Hilda's sister Dorothy also had an illegitimate child that year .

[**** EDIT: NO, THIS CHILD IS WATSON'S TWIN - see next post ]:

CLARK, DOROTHY FOSTER -
GRO Reference: 1921 D Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 1539


Marriages Sep 1942 (>99%)
Clark Dorothy F Shotton S.Shields 10a 1755
Harper Dorothy Shotton S.Shields 10a 1755
Shotton William H F Clark S.Shields 10a 1755
Shotton William H F Harper S.Shields 10a 1755


Death:

Dorothy Foster Shotton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Dorothy Foster Shotton
Death Age 56 [56]
Birth Date 14 Sep 1921 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date Jan 1978 [Feb 1978] [Mar 1978]
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Sunderland
Inferred County Tyne and Wear
Volume 2
Page 1686

No sign of Hilda in 1939..........annoying, as it would have confirmed DoB

Her widowed mother was living with Dorothy and her family.

One Ancestry tree has wrongly linked a London school admission record.......that is for a child with DoB 26/04/1895. Unsurprisingly, the tree 'owner' is American

ADDED

Just got digital image of her birth cert

25th October 1894 at 'Water Side', Hylton, registered by father

That's a good possibility, Alviegal.

It's a pity marriage certs aren't available digitally on GRO.

Just a maybe? Going backwards

Storey Hilda Jane 25/10/1894 1977 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Durham Western, Durham, England

Hilda J Barrass married one of these people
James C Storey Marriage year 1959 Sunderland


Hilda J Clark married one of these people
Robert Barrass 1947 South Shields


EDIT Newspapers notices have James Storey and Sons, 51 Frederick Street, Sunderland - solicitors in the 1950s.

Again, no idea if they are linked.

Out of curiosity, I got his digital birth cert.

Watson Clark's mother was Hilda Jane Clark, 1894, whose mother's mn was Hutchinson.

Hilda is with her parents Thomas William and Elizabeth, and one of her sisters, in Frederick Street (which is where Watson was born) , Hylton, Durham in 1921, but I can't see any record of her after that.

She's in 6 Ancestry trees, none of which have any record of her after 1921 either.
They suggest she died in Bishop Auckland - but without date or proof - and there's no such record.

Hilda Clark is a very common name, all over the country.

That really looks like that could be him AG....well done. Here's Isabella in 1939.

1939 Register
8 Harehills Avenue, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne C.B., Northumberland, England
Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
George Wishart 25 Oct 1892 Male General Labourer Married 171 1
Isabella Wishart 17 Feb 1895 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 171 2
>>Isabella Clarke (Wishart) 18 Aug 1920 Female Café Waitress Single 171 3
Annie Allar Elsender (Wishart) 16 Jan 1923 Female Café Waitress Single 171 4
Jane W Charlton (Wishart) 16 Aug 1924 Female Kitchen Maid Single 171 5

Another possibility -

Watson Hutchinson Clark
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Watson Hutchinson Clark
Death Age 81 [81]
Birth Date 14 Sep 1921 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date Jul 2003
Registration District Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County Tyne and Wear
Register Number C80C
District and Subdistrict 053/1C
Entry Number 82

He married Isabella Wishart in 1941.

In 1947 he and his wife are at - guess where - 30 Gloucester Street.
Evelyn, Henry, and Minnie are also still at that address.


Watson Hutchinson Clark
in the Newcastle upon Tyne, England, Electoral Registers, 1741-1974
Name Watson Hutchinson Clark
Residence Year 1947
Street Address 30 Gloucester Street
Residence Place Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Register Register of Electors (Central)


Illegitimate birth:

CLARK, WATSON HUTCHINSON -
GRO Reference: 1921 D Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 1540


I don't see him in 1939 as Clark.

Thanks, ErikaH.
I've reported the omission of Watson from the transcription.

Ancestry

Name Frances E Robinson
Gender Female
Marital Status Widowed
Birth Date 5 Jan 1876
Residence Date 1939
Residence Place Bradford, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Occupation Textile Wool Rover
Line Number 44
Schedule Number 99
Sub Schedule Number 4
Enumeration District Kbmv
Borough Bradford
Registration District 498/3
Household Members (Name) Gender Birth Year
Eliza ?? Greenwood
Frances E Robinson Female 1876

1939 Register
259 Otley Road, Bradford, Bradford C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Watson Greenwood 14 Oct 1921 Male Engineering Laboratory Assistant Single 99 1
Eliza I Greenwood 02 Jun 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 99 2
Frances E Robinson 05 Jan 1876 Female Textile Wool Rover Widowed 99 3
Robert Pollock 17 Jan 1891 Male Transport Manager Widowed 99 5

Bother! Oh, well . . . . .


That's not showing up on Ancestry, which is why I hoped he was the man in Newcastle.

Sorry, AG, but that one is on 1939 in Bradford, with his widowed mother

???? 1939 enumerator's mistake?

Births Dec 1921 (>99%)
Greenwood Watson Ward Bradford 9b 207


Mr Watson Greenwood
in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2025
Name Mr Watson Greenwood
Gender Male
Age 86
Birth Date 14 Oct 1921 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Last Residence Betchworth, Surrey, England
Postal Code District Rh3
Death Date 28 Dec 2007


???
Watson. Greenwood
in the UK, British Army World War II Medal Cards, 1939-1945
Name Watson. Greenwood
Rank Driver
Birth Date 1921
Award Date 26 Jan 1951
Applicant's Delivery Address 19 Peterborough Terr. Bardford Yorkshire
Service Group Number 42
Class of Release A
Service Number 10687976
Regiment R. E.
Stars/Medals Issued 1939-45; France & Germany; War

As he was a Forge Labourer in 1939, he was certainly an adult, but that’s about all one can deduce from the record

Perhaps he's a mistake by the enumerator, and wasn't a Greenwell at all.

He certainly doesn't seem to appear in any other record as Greenwell.

Thanks for looking, anyway!